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Re: Dr Heimlich saves choking woman with manoeuvre he invented

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Post by Panoramix » Fri, May 27, 2016, 6:24 PM UTC

Styx- wrote: post #13

greenpizza13 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, this irks me as well. Why does this even have to come into play. Why not just thank Dr. Heimlich and give him all the well deserved credit? This lady could have just as easily been one of the millions of people since the maneuver was invented to have not been sitting next to Dr. Heimlich when they began to choke.

Why shit all over someone else's way of viewing the world if it doesn't affect you? And none of the nonsense about Christians that don't believe in global warming or abortions or something, because you have no idea of this woman's stance on any of that. Disclaimer: I'm as agnostic as they come. EDIT: Let me add that I think it's ridiculous to criticize religious people for being religious. It is regressive and promot…

Nobody was shitting over anything.

I certainly do not think it's ridiculous to criticize religion. It's 2016, some supernatural beliefs should not get a free pass just because people will feel offended. However, choose your battles. Elderly people saying a very common phrase is hardly something to get worked up about.

Re: Dr Heimlich saves choking woman with manoeuvre he invented

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Post by drumdance » Fri, May 27, 2016, 6:25 PM UTC

I like to think the greatest moment of my life was when I performed the heimlich on a colleague on an airplane. It took three tries but it worked. In retrospect I was surprised how calm I was. I remember thinking on the third try, "if this doesn't work, I'm yelling for a flight attendant."

What's even crazier is I was sitting in the window seat, she in the middle seat. I'm surprised it worked in such cramped circumstances.

And something amusing: the guy in the aisle seat slept through the whole thing.

Re: Dr Heimlich saves choking woman with manoeuvre he invented

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Post by visakanv » Fri, May 27, 2016, 6:25 PM UTC

benjohnson wrote: post #10

azinman2 wrote: post #4

"God put me in the seat next to you." Did God also make you choke in the first place?

From a Christian perspective - Yes - even the choking. there's an aspect of God's will that is permissive - it is thought that God permits evil because it could allow for a higher good such as free will. Though this can't be said for sure.

What about aggressive childhood leukaemia? Why does God do that? Genuinely curious to understand.

Re: Dr Heimlich saves choking woman with manoeuvre he invented

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Post by hellothere789 » Fri, May 27, 2016, 6:28 PM UTC

I can imagine his family and friends were tired of him leaping forward to take advantage of the technique at every opportunity...

- YOU'RE CHOKING??? -- No, coughing...

- YOU'RE CHOKING??? -- NO, Heimlich, I'm holding my breath... I have the hiccups....

- YOU'RE CHOKING??? -- FUCKING HEIMLICH! I'M TRYING TO TAKE A DUMP!!

Re: Dr Heimlich saves choking woman with manoeuvre he invented

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Post by headwayoldest » Fri, May 27, 2016, 6:29 PM UTC

visakanv wrote: post #23

benjohnson wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From a Christian perspective - Yes - even the choking. there's an aspect of God's will that is permissive - it is thought that God permits evil because it could allow for a higher good such as free will. Though this can't be said for sure.

What about aggressive childhood leukaemia? Why does God do that? Genuinely curious to understand.

People enthralled by mysticism will find a dozen explanations for everything that contradicts their beliefs.

Re: Dr Heimlich saves choking woman with manoeuvre he invented

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Post by nickff » Fri, May 27, 2016, 6:37 PM UTC

azinman2 wrote: post #4

"God put me in the seat next to you." Did God also make you choke in the first place?

Are you trying to pass this atheist passive-aggressiveness off as wit? If so, you should have come up with something more original than this trite phrase.

Re: Dr Heimlich saves choking woman with manoeuvre he invented

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Post by gnaritas » Fri, May 27, 2016, 6:38 PM UTC

lomnakkus wrote: post #19

benjohnson wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From a Christian perspective - Yes - even the choking. there's an aspect of God's will that is permissive - it is thought that God permits evil because it could allow for a higher good such as free will. Though this can't be said for sure.

... but then God surely can't be omnibenevolent!? (But perhaps that doctrine's been abandoned?) I'm just pointing out the contradictions in "classic" Christianity. Regardless of all that, unless we somehow come up with a coherent and agreed-upon definition of God, I don't suspect anyone's mind will be changed by logical argument. And, thus, I defeat my own argument. EDIT: I mean, it was Epicurus (~2000 years ago!) wh…

> b) belief in God is not determined by rational reasoning.

There are no rational arguments for a belief in God, so this is the answer. All belief in any gods is irrational by nature.

Re: Dr Heimlich saves choking woman with manoeuvre he invented

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Post by PKop » Fri, May 27, 2016, 6:40 PM UTC

Styx- wrote: post #13

greenpizza13 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, this irks me as well. Why does this even have to come into play. Why not just thank Dr. Heimlich and give him all the well deserved credit? This lady could have just as easily been one of the millions of people since the maneuver was invented to have not been sitting next to Dr. Heimlich when they began to choke.

Why shit all over someone else's way of viewing the world if it doesn't affect you? And none of the nonsense about Christians that don't believe in global warming or abortions or something, because you have no idea of this woman's stance on any of that. Disclaimer: I'm as agnostic as they come. EDIT: Let me add that I think it's ridiculous to criticize religious people for being religious. It is regressive and promot…

You make a bold assumption that "it doesn't affect you" (surely you'd agree this is up for debate no?), then the very next sentence describe political views that can be attributed directly to religious beliefs you're claiming have no affect on anyone.

All ideas should be up for criticism. It is the very nature of religion somehow being off limits for debate that allows bad ideas to go unchallenged and spread.

Re: Dr Heimlich saves choking woman with manoeuvre he invented

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Post by montecarl » Fri, May 27, 2016, 6:42 PM UTC

lomnakkus wrote: post #19

benjohnson wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From a Christian perspective - Yes - even the choking. there's an aspect of God's will that is permissive - it is thought that God permits evil because it could allow for a higher good such as free will. Though this can't be said for sure.

... but then God surely can't be omnibenevolent!? (But perhaps that doctrine's been abandoned?) I'm just pointing out the contradictions in "classic" Christianity. Regardless of all that, unless we somehow come up with a coherent and agreed-upon definition of God, I don't suspect anyone's mind will be changed by logical argument. And, thus, I defeat my own argument. EDIT: I mean, it was Epicurus (~2000 years ago!) wh…

I'm not a Christian, but I've thought about this from time to time. God could be omnibenevolent, but just not on terms that humans can understand. Humans only know about what happens during life and do not understand what happens after death.

There is a pretty cool short story The Egg that relates to this. I won't ruin it by trying to describe it myself. You can read it here: http://www.galactanet.com/oneoff/theegg_mod.html

Re: Dr Heimlich saves choking woman with manoeuvre he invented

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Post by MustardTiger » Fri, May 27, 2016, 6:43 PM UTC

It isn't a "life-saving technique", it is bunk:

"There was never any science here. Heimlich overpowered science all along the way with his slick tactics and intimidation, and everyone, including us at the AHA, caved in."