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FBI raids dental software researcher who discovered patient data on FTP server

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Re: FBI raids dental software researcher who discovered patient data on FTP server

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I know this is only tangentially related to the HN content here, but does anyone have a sense of why the FBI would choose to respond to this sort of case with a dozen agents and weapons drawn? Rather than, say, two guys politely ringing the bell and asking him to come with them? Unless there's a lot left out of this article, I wouldn't think most "unauthorized computer access" suspects tend to be heavily armed. (Part…

SOP ...Military tactics against citizens. Overwhelm with force so the subject cowers in fear. Works great doesnt it ?

Re: FBI raids dental software researcher who discovered patient data on FTP server

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post #27

I know this is only tangentially related to the HN content here, but does anyone have a sense of why the FBI would choose to respond to this sort of case with a dozen agents and weapons drawn? Rather than, say, two guys politely ringing the bell and asking him to come with them? Unless there's a lot left out of this article, I wouldn't think most "unauthorized computer access" suspects tend to be heavily armed. (Part…

Until agents start getting thrown in prison for assault, their ridiculous assaults on harmless residents who pose no threat will continue.

The best policy may be, simply not to be home at 6 AM. They're psychologically incapable of raiding when normal people are awake, or of making arrests in safer ways such as via a phone call to an attorney or simply waiting by their target's car until he leaves for work in the morning.

Re: FBI raids dental software researcher who discovered patient data on FTP server

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The FBI is going to have a hell of a time arguing that accessing a public FTP server with no password protection is a crime.

I am pleased they might move forward with this prosecution. Keep in mind the legal costs incurred to do this, in addition to the already employed 12-15 FBI agents who were probably paid overtime to heroically rescue that poor family from this monster was already well worth the cost. Spending more money and resources here is obviously the right thing to do. Really, the resources expended to handcuff this man in his bo…

Other places aren't much better either. In my country, you don't get to reach the courts. If some official doesn't like you, and you aren't a descendant of a well-known lineage and don't have connections, you will accidentally fall down a couple of flights of stairs, repeatedly.

And should you by some miraculous series of events manage to get your case heard in a court (have $$$ to burn), they'll just appeal the verdict (and win).

There is no escaping this shitfest.

Re: FBI raids dental software researcher who discovered patient data on FTP server

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post #31
post #27

I know this is only tangentially related to the HN content here, but does anyone have a sense of why the FBI would choose to respond to this sort of case with a dozen agents and weapons drawn? Rather than, say, two guys politely ringing the bell and asking him to come with them? Unless there's a lot left out of this article, I wouldn't think most "unauthorized computer access" suspects tend to be heavily armed. (Part…

SOP ...Military tactics against citizens. Overwhelm with force so the subject cowers in fear. Works great doesnt it ?

Yes, remember GwB's "Shock & Awe"

Re: FBI raids dental software researcher who discovered patient data on FTP server

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe that it is still considered unauthorized access even if they don't have a password set up. I think it goes back to law that existed before computers where if you entered someones home without permission you can't simply argue that there wasn't a lock on the door. Edit: ProAm above reminded me of the Andrew Auernheimer case that was nearly identical to this and was resolved as I describe.

This doesn't hold up because homes are made to be accessed by one person or a specific group of people. It is more like having a store with lights on and an open sign then arresting someone for breaking an entering when they go inside.

Yeah, somehow people forget that the act of connecting a computer to the Internet is an implicit permission for all the Internet to access it unless specified otherwise (by e.g. requiring authentication). That's, like, the fundamental principle of the Internet.

Re: FBI raids dental software researcher who discovered patient data on FTP server

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This reminds me of something that happened to me in high school back in 1999. I found an Excel doc in a public network drive that contained every single student's SSN, DOB, whether they had free/reduced lunch, address, phone, etc. I was admittedly snooping around, but this was all public stuff every student and teacher had full access to.

When I found it, I told one of the teachers that I trusted and she insisted that I must tell the principal. So I went down to the principal's office and told her. My primary goal was to get this removed or made private because even at that young age I knew this was very sensitive data and I wouldn't want just anyone having access to my information like that.

When I got home from school, I found my mother upset because we'd been called to return to school for an emergency meeting. I was questioned, and when I told them I only wanted this sensitive information properly secured I was told by the county IT administrator "Did you ever stop to think if maybe this information was public for a reason?" I took a second, and literally wanted to say "There is no reason this information should ever be public" but I ended up keeping my mouth shut in hopes to not get into further trouble.

I was nearly expelled for "hacking". They placed me on "academic probation" and threatened that if I did so much as forget my school ID at home one day, I would be immediately expelled without question. I was removed from my elective classes that involved computers and was disallowed from touching any computers at school.

Fun fact: Someone on the yearbook staff accidentally deleted the only copy of the yearbook files and our yearbook was in danger of basically not being made. I was called to the principal's office and asked to help. I was able to recover the deleted files and save the day. At some point they realized I never had malicious intent, but I still hold a small grudge for the way I was treated as a criminal for uncovering such a big security hole.

Re: FBI raids dental software researcher who discovered patient data on FTP server

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post #27

I know this is only tangentially related to the HN content here, but does anyone have a sense of why the FBI would choose to respond to this sort of case with a dozen agents and weapons drawn? Rather than, say, two guys politely ringing the bell and asking him to come with them? Unless there's a lot left out of this article, I wouldn't think most "unauthorized computer access" suspects tend to be heavily armed. (Part…

I believe the FBI wanted to seize all of the computers and data access devices before he flashed them somehow. I totally agree with you, but that is my only guess for having guns drawn and not allowing him to get dressed.

Re: FBI raids dental software researcher who discovered patient data on FTP server

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am pleased they might move forward with this prosecution. Keep in mind the legal costs incurred to do this, in addition to the already employed 12-15 FBI agents who were probably paid overtime to heroically rescue that poor family from this monster was already well worth the cost. Spending more money and resources here is obviously the right thing to do. Really, the resources expended to handcuff this man in his bo…

Other places aren't much better either. In my country, you don't get to reach the courts. If some official doesn't like you, and you aren't a descendant of a well-known lineage and don't have connections, you will accidentally fall down a couple of flights of stairs, repeatedly. And should you by some miraculous series of events manage to get your case heard in a court (have $$$ to burn), they'll just appeal the verd…

Western Europe and especially Scandanavia are better. That is my opinion based on the observations I have gathered.

I am not sure where you are from, but I agree that it can also get worse.

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