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Pre-sale of Cyborg implant for sensing North

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Re: Pre-sale of Cyborg implant for sensing North

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This "implant" is pretty much a wearable device since it is in contact with skin but is fully outside the body.

Usually wearables refer to things you can easily take off, like a watch. This thing looks pretty permanent -- though maybe it flips open like an earring to be removed and serviced?

The barbell piercing that it anchors to is permanent, but I think the device itself has to be removed to charge.

Re: Pre-sale of Cyborg implant for sensing North

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So this only vibrates when it faces north. I wonder if that is more or less useful/comfortable/noticeable than the belts[0] or anklets[1] that always have a vibration in the direction of north. [0] http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-Make-a-Tactile-Feedba... [1] https://sensebridge.net/projects/northpaw/

I created a version of this that is built into a hat:

https://pganssle.github.io/HaptiCap/

Haven't had much time since then to update the instructions on how to build it or make significant improvements, but I personally thought the hat form factor was better than the anklet or belt. Even in my prototype version it's pretty hard to tell it's anything other than a normal hat.

Re: Pre-sale of Cyborg implant for sensing North

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I don't really see how this is treading politically/ethically dangerous grounds, definitely not like those magnetic finger implants people have been getting for a few years[0] (I would also say that those are probably one of the first 'off the shelf' upgrades). Totally agree with you about the need for open-source hardware and software, especially for devices that become part of our selves! That's one of the many rea…

> I don't really see how this is treading politically/ethically dangerous grounds... I see it similar to self-driving cars: No matter how good or useful they will be, there will be people who "don't want no robot driving me around". Likewise, there will be people who think that implanting ourselves with computers is an "abomination". From reading that link, it doesn't sound like those are "smart" devices? I think tha…

> From reading that link, it doesn't sound like those are "smart" devices?

You are correct; they are not. The compass device in this story isn't implanted either, it sits atop some piercings on the chest. No smart device is being put under the skin here, either.

Food for thought: I met a guy who made an earring that vibrated when he got an incoming SMS. That was a 'smart' device that sat atop a piercing too...

Re: Pre-sale of Cyborg implant for sensing North

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To me, it seems more like a product that's "testing the waters". I agree it's not actually that impressive, or even an implant, but it's softly treading on politically/ethically dangerous grounds. Most of the "upgrades" we've seen so far are for people who have had accidents/damage. This is the first "optional" off-the-shelf product that I know of. > I see no implementation details I am excited that we're moving this…

I don't really see how this is treading politically/ethically dangerous grounds, definitely not like those magnetic finger implants people have been getting for a few years[0] (I would also say that those are probably one of the first 'off the shelf' upgrades). Totally agree with you about the need for open-source hardware and software, especially for devices that become part of our selves! That's one of the many rea…

Yeah what's needed here is a basic arduino implant platform.

Re: Pre-sale of Cyborg implant for sensing North

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> I don't really see how this is treading politically/ethically dangerous grounds... I see it similar to self-driving cars: No matter how good or useful they will be, there will be people who "don't want no robot driving me around". Likewise, there will be people who think that implanting ourselves with computers is an "abomination". From reading that link, it doesn't sound like those are "smart" devices? I think tha…

> From reading that link, it doesn't sound like those are "smart" devices? You are correct; they are not. The compass device in this story isn't implanted either, it sits atop some piercings on the chest. No smart device is being put under the skin here, either. Food for thought: I met a guy who made an earring that vibrated when he got an incoming SMS. That was a 'smart' device that sat atop a piercing too...

I thought this had some kind of electronics in it though? Maybe I'm mis-understanding the product.

> I met a guy who made an earring that vibrated when he got an incoming SMS. That was a 'smart' device that sat atop a piercing too...

What makes this product interesting to me is that it's "off-the-shelf". The earing, while cool, is a home-made solution (I'm guessing). And to be clear: I don't think this product is revolutionary, I just find it interesting that things have become so small and cheap that we can do this en-mass.

Re: Pre-sale of Cyborg implant for sensing North

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Looks like I'm the only one, but I think this is pretty nifty. Then again I had someone cut open my hand to shove in an rfid chip 10 years ago, which wasn't everybody's cup of tea either. What I'm most worried about is battery life. If I have to recharge every week (or more), I would give up after a few weeks. Also, what risk is there snagging this thing on your shirt when you get dressed, or crushing it under a barb…

Are you Lopht Anonym or however it's spelled?

BBC documentary on Lepht Anonym http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/item/8ca601f1-2d4f-412a-8c94-a...

Re: Pre-sale of Cyborg implant for sensing North

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Amazing (from the Who we are section): > NEIL HARBISSON > Cyborg artist with an internet enabled antenna implanted in his skull that allows him to perceive colours beyond the visual spectrum and connect to satellites to sense colours from space.

It is quite bizzare http://static1.squarespace.com/static/55227abee4b04cf2fe2b34...

Interesting, but ridiculously goofy looking. You'd think glasses would be a better form factor to hold the sensor.

Re: Pre-sale of Cyborg implant for sensing North

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It should be mentioned that there are multiple "norths." And while it's generally not a big deal for most uses, if you feel that you need a compass so bad that you have to implant it into yourself, you probably want the most accurate system that you can have. I don't see anything about this on their website. Such as how do you set Magnetic declination? (My guess, you don't).

The earth's magnetic filed is an incredibly complex system. I know this is more about the "implantability" rather than the compass, but still, something to keep in mind.

For more information: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_declination

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth's_magnetic_field

Re: Pre-sale of Cyborg implant for sensing North

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Maybe if you are blind, this could be helpful to not get lost and get a sense of the direction you are facing. But I guess there are already less invasive solutions (and other sensory inputs like the sun on your skin).

Or just a wearable device, but I guess that has drawbacks too.

You can get a cheap wristwatch that has an integrated digital compass, or a tiny analog compass embedded in the strap.
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