When I saw the video and the team photos all I could think of is, "Turtley werth it" http://www.cc.com/video-clips/4ei34y/kroll-show-rich-dicks--...
Pre-sale of Cyborg implant for sensing North
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Re: Pre-sale of Cyborg implant for sensing North
#62I know that Liviu Babitz the founder of CyborgNest is on HN now. He should be answering your questions soon! https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=LiviuBabitz
Let me just be the first to say that I'm not stuffing anything in my body that was created by someone who's identity isn't firmly nailed down. I'm not against anonymity by any means, but infrastructure needs to be 99.999% trustworthy and transparent.
> Liviu was the COO of Videre est Credere, featured in the WIRED as 'Carlos', due to security restrictions at the time the article was published.
Re: Pre-sale of Cyborg implant for sensing North
#63I see no implementation details. How do I know the accuracy of the compass? It would suck to be passively sent directional information that was even slightly off. What if I don't calibrate it for a few weeks? What happens if I'm not standing straight, instead laying down? Does it go off randomly? Also, I don't see how this qualifies as an implant? In their defense, I can't obviously see anywhere they call it such; th…
To me, it seems more like a product that's "testing the waters". I agree it's not actually that impressive, or even an implant, but it's softly treading on politically/ethically dangerous grounds. Most of the "upgrades" we've seen so far are for people who have had accidents/damage. This is the first "optional" off-the-shelf product that I know of.
> I see no implementation details
I am excited that we're moving this direction in our society, but I strongly think this is where we need open-source hardware and software. I really don't like the idea of giving control of my physical self to a company, even for something as silly as telling me where north is.
Re: Pre-sale of Cyborg implant for sensing North
#64I'm really struggling to see why you'd want to install this in your body rather than just having it on your person. Is vibration really enhanced by implanting it? Also, this won't be you "closer to nature" because humans are not naturally attuned to physically know when we are facing north. Perhaps more importantly, how annoying would this be if every time you rolled over at night, you faced true north and got a nice…
I disagree. I almost always know where north is. Just pay a little attention to shadows.
That's essentially my point. It's learned rather than instinctual. You were taught to do that.
Re: Pre-sale of Cyborg implant for sensing North
#65I see no implementation details. How do I know the accuracy of the compass? It would suck to be passively sent directional information that was even slightly off. What if I don't calibrate it for a few weeks? What happens if I'm not standing straight, instead laying down? Does it go off randomly? Also, I don't see how this qualifies as an implant? In their defense, I can't obviously see anywhere they call it such; th…
I agree for the most part, but this is technically an implant. It uses a barbell piercing to embed itself into you.
Re: Pre-sale of Cyborg implant for sensing North
#66I see no implementation details. How do I know the accuracy of the compass? It would suck to be passively sent directional information that was even slightly off. What if I don't calibrate it for a few weeks? What happens if I'm not standing straight, instead laying down? Does it go off randomly? Also, I don't see how this qualifies as an implant? In their defense, I can't obviously see anywhere they call it such; th…
I agree for the most part, but this is technically an implant. It uses a barbell piercing to embed itself into you. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbell_(piercing)
Well, I guess most of my friends have implants!
While technically an 'implant', it seems more like this device sits on top of an implant (the barbells). No device is actually being embedded under your skin.
But I guess we're just playing with definitions now and not talking about the product itself. :P
Re: Pre-sale of Cyborg implant for sensing North
#67I know that Liviu Babitz the founder of CyborgNest is on HN now. He should be answering your questions soon! https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=LiviuBabitz
They are getting dinged by some sort of new account filter.
People with showdead on should watch for comments to vouch for.
Re: Pre-sale of Cyborg implant for sensing North
#68I see no implementation details. How do I know the accuracy of the compass? It would suck to be passively sent directional information that was even slightly off. What if I don't calibrate it for a few weeks? What happens if I'm not standing straight, instead laying down? Does it go off randomly? Also, I don't see how this qualifies as an implant? In their defense, I can't obviously see anywhere they call it such; th…
To me, it seems more like a product that's "testing the waters". I agree it's not actually that impressive, or even an implant, but it's softly treading on politically/ethically dangerous grounds. Most of the "upgrades" we've seen so far are for people who have had accidents/damage. This is the first "optional" off-the-shelf product that I know of. > I see no implementation details I am excited that we're moving this…
I don't really see how this is treading politically/ethically dangerous grounds, definitely not like those magnetic finger implants people have been getting for a few years[0] (I would also say that those are probably one of the first 'off the shelf' upgrades).
Totally agree with you about the need for open-source hardware and software, especially for devices that become part of our selves! That's one of the many reasons this device bugs me.
[0] http://www.wired.com/2006/06/a-sixth-sense-for-a-wired-world...
Re: Pre-sale of Cyborg implant for sensing North
#69I'm really struggling to see why you'd want to install this in your body rather than just having it on your person. Is vibration really enhanced by implanting it? Also, this won't be you "closer to nature" because humans are not naturally attuned to physically know when we are facing north. Perhaps more importantly, how annoying would this be if every time you rolled over at night, you faced true north and got a nice…
I think it's more of a convenience thing, to be honest.
We're not attuned to be able to see where we're going via sonar, sense magnetic fields, etc. On the other hand, we're great at learning, and at adapting to when a sense is lost or added.
And the vibration really won't be that significant, it only has to be enough to get some feedback from it.
Re: Pre-sale of Cyborg implant for sensing North
#70Earlier quoted context omitted.
To me, it seems more like a product that's "testing the waters". I agree it's not actually that impressive, or even an implant, but it's softly treading on politically/ethically dangerous grounds. Most of the "upgrades" we've seen so far are for people who have had accidents/damage. This is the first "optional" off-the-shelf product that I know of. > I see no implementation details I am excited that we're moving this…
I don't really see how this is treading politically/ethically dangerous grounds, definitely not like those magnetic finger implants people have been getting for a few years[0] (I would also say that those are probably one of the first 'off the shelf' upgrades). Totally agree with you about the need for open-source hardware and software, especially for devices that become part of our selves! That's one of the many rea…
> I don't really see how this is treading politically/ethically dangerous grounds...
I see it similar to self-driving cars: No matter how good or useful they will be, there will be people who "don't want no robot driving me around". Likewise, there will be people who think that implanting ourselves with computers is an "abomination".
From reading that link, it doesn't sound like those are "smart" devices? I think that's where we will see people start to have strong opinions about this.