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Cellphone-Cancer Link Found in Government Study

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If cellphones and WiFi caused cancer you'd think we would see the cancer rates explode over the past 20 years. Have they?

Cancer is a very broad church. There have been a lot of lifestyle changes over the last twenty years, very difficult to specify control groups ....

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The problem with linking to websites like this is that one has to be logged int o see anything but the first line of the article...

not this time - this is an open access preprint server like arXiv for physics and math

He meant the WSJ article

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If cellphones and WiFi caused cancer you'd think we would see the cancer rates explode over the past 20 years. Have they?

20 years is not the correct period.

Wi-Fi wasn't mainstream back then and kids didn't have phones in their pockets all day long.

I believe we will have more accurate data in another 30 years.

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...and I'm reading this with my laptop sitting on my lap..

The wifi antenna in a laptop is in the monitor. Even in your lap it is still much further from your body than the antenna on your phone when you have it to your ear.

Further from the brain but not the balls...

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Does anyone have a link to the actual paper? As usual, it's impossible to get any useful information from a sensational mainstream science article. The article states that they studied rats and mice at 9 hrs/day exposure (at what RF power?) but aren't reporting results for mice at this stage. Of the rats (how many?), they found the "cancer association appeared in male rats" but no effect size or confidence interval i…

Mother Jones posted this link: http://biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/early/2016/05/26/055699.f... Key points: - The rats were exposed in utero and throughout their lifetimes - They did pilot studies to find what radiation level did not cause a body temperature rise to remove that as a confusing factor - 900MHz CDMA and GSM signals - SAR of 0, 1.5, 3, 6 W/kg. For comparison the FCC limit is 1.2 W/kg in 1 gram of tissue.…

Oh great, now those damn people with CDMA phones are going to be even more smug. :P

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Thanks for the summary, I just read the article and I feel like you touched the main points. Regarding survival, I also noticed it, surprising. Could you define "survival rate" for someone who's not in the field? Does it mean what it looks like it means, i.e., survival rate is higher when rats die at an older age in average?

Not a medic or biologist (or a statistician!) so I don't know the specific definition, but I assumed it simply means the number of rats still alive at the end of the 106 week period.

This is correct. Because you can't know the future, 'survival' means up to a certain point (whenever you stop looking), beyond which adverse events are not counted (even if you know they happened).

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It's important to note that according to official dogma, non-ionising radiation can not cause cancer. I've heard my own concerns about non-ionising radiation dismissed (even belittled) so many times that I've lost count. Most often this comes from educated people who think that their education constitutes the whole of all knowledge about the universe and that there is nothing left to be discovered. But one should und…

The establishment demands that non-ionizing UV can be carcinogenic, but laugh if someone thinks that microwave - at various doses - could be! Why does it take so much evidence to even propose that low doses of the frequency that cook food can have adverse health effects on living humans? The fact that they're not willing to recommend bluetooth or earbuds without a mountain of evidence is another demonstration of closed mindedness. If something in nature has an even infinitesimal chance of being harmful, then you put it closer to your hands and legs - and not your eyes, face, and brain.
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