Live data from Hacker News

Reddit launches image uploads, ditching alliance with Imgur

techcrunch.com

391–400 of 414 posts

Re: Reddit launches image uploads, ditching alliance with Imgur

#391
No matter where your personal beliefs put you on the subject, Reddit has been taking a lot more interest in the quality and nature of its content lately. This means subreddit bans, shadow bans, and similar activity. I wonder if this will see an increase once Reddit has complete control and monitoring over its Image hosting. It also opens them up to DMCA and other complaints.

From an engineering perspective Reddit had frequent crashes and severe lag for years. They've improved a lot in the past two, and seeing them confident enough to launch a service like this says something about their progress in that regard. However I could see it be a complete flop as well. Time will tell.

Re: Reddit launches image uploads, ditching alliance with Imgur

#392
post #285

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Imgur forgot its roots as a dumb image host I think they are just the most recent organization to figure out that there's no viable standalone business model in "dumb image host".

Which is, unfortunately, what users need. I wonder if we're doomed to have a new "dumb image host" every few years or if someone will someday figure out how to make a sustainable business out of delivering value in this space, without having to clutter the site with crap.

I think it would have to be a larger organization that has other revenue sources and provides the image hosting as a loss leader. Someone where the bandwidth costs are a drop in the bucket, local edge caches already exist, etc. Netflix, Cloudflare, Akamai, Amazon, Google, etc.

Re: Reddit launches image uploads, ditching alliance with Imgur

#393

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Daring Fireball does it" has to be the worst possible comparison imaginable. Gruber has super differentiated, high editorial value content that folks will pay a premium to put their message next to. Imgur is about as far away from that as possible. They have to try to make money, it's crazy to sit here and think you know better than they do on this. Don't you think if they could make enough money doing what you thin…

I was referring to the way that DaringFireball does ads. I was not talking about any other aspect of DaringFireball. If Imgur wants ads, there is a way to make ads sane and still make money. For what anecdotes are worth, DaringFireball’s method is about the only form of ads that has ever worked on me. I actually read what he says about these companies, and I often am curious enough to go learn more. And he’s charging…

I just want to chime in with a simpler answer. That's not really how Internet ads work. Ad deals between companies are fairly large and complex, at least the kind that are going to support a site like imgur.

Content is king and imgurs content is random and most likely junk. There's no consistency you could sell to a partner where'd they be willing to pay enough to allow something like DaringFireball does to work. The only way they're making enough is to put the junk we're dealing with now.

Re: Reddit launches image uploads, ditching alliance with Imgur

#394
post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've seen it. It depends on the referrer. When coming from Reddit, visitors will not be redirected.

test link: http://i.imgur.com/PhY2HUP.jpg is this happening for anyone in thread? maybe try holding down CTRL and hammering the link to see if it's a probability thing? I have never seen the behavior being described.

Looks like part of it is that after you've visited the direct link once it's served from cache.

Re: Reddit launches image uploads, ditching alliance with Imgur

#395

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Colocation hosting your own servers around the world... you know, the original way.

Is that really cheaper than S3, though?

Depends on what you compare it you. Amazon sells you not only the hardware, but also the management services.

Re: Reddit launches image uploads, ditching alliance with Imgur

#396
post #227

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure it is, you can track the site it was hosted on and follow the fingerprint around the web. The image content isn't the juicy bit. If I can see you viewed an image referred from /r/woodwork I might offer you some woodworking tools and drive up the conversation rate of my advertisements.

> The image content isn't the juicy bit It is. The wealth of images alone, the sheer amount, from memes to vacation pics is worth so much now that image recognition is taking off.

I was perhaps too dismissive, it is certainly full of information. But I mostly meant for the moment the information most likely to be gleaned will be from referral links.

Re: Reddit launches image uploads, ditching alliance with Imgur

#397
post #285

Imgur forgot its roots as a dumb image host, rapidly crufting-up its service with things that were not only annoying but interfering with its basic function . If you can’t easily see an image as soon as you click on it — on mobile or otherwise — then the image service has completely failed. The sad thing is, they could have added non-intrusive ads. DaringFireball does it; write a single line of text such as “This ima…

>Imgur forgot its roots as a dumb image host I think they are just the most recent organization to figure out that there's no viable standalone business model in "dumb image host".

There were several other such services that learnt it the hard way, back the when MySpace was the big thing and decided to host their images themselves (and video too). One such service survived in those days (Google bought Youtube), the others died.

Re: Reddit launches image uploads, ditching alliance with Imgur

#398
post #307

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Guess in what my masters degree is ;) Design of everyday things is one of my favorite books, and definitely the HCI book I enjoyed reading the most. I'm aware that you can think of many things as being an interface. I even agree that heuristically switching the result page is deceptive. But there is a difference, though it gets hard to pinpoint it. The manipulation is on another level. It is not the same type of thin…

The Psychology of Everyday Things (later retitled "The Design of Everyday Things") is indeed a great book. I call out the original title, first, to be a hipster but more to point out that his very aim was to talk about things not Human Computer Interaction. It is not a book primarily about Human Computer Interaction and your regarding it as such or at least lumping it in with HCI shows a serious misunderstanding of t…

> It is not a book primarily about Human Computer Interaction and your regarding it as such or at least lumping it in with HCI shows a serious misunderstanding of the larger point.

The primarily I did not say, did I? The book was required reading at the first university I heard a HCI lecture. It was recommended at my masters (in HCI, both the masters and the lecture), and contents from it were teached. I'm not sure about everyone in my current team, but I know at least some have read it, and I saw general references to its content. And those guys are pretty much the core of european academic HCI.

Everyday things has that role, as I could see, exactly because it is not talking about computers. It manages to show concepts and principals in a way that makes clear how they are universal. Besides, computer interaction does not happen only through display interfaces.

> I call out the original title, first, to be a hipster but more to point out that his very aim was to talk about things not Human Computer Interaction

Actually, the foreword of the 2002 edition I have open right now explains the change of title. It describes that it is because psychology in the title made it go to the wrong bookshelf in stores, in that people did not capture that it was talking about objects and design instead of psychology itself. Where do you have your explanation from?

> What I gather you're asserting is that they must also be manipulative and get people to do something, themselves?

Exactly. Or to not do something they'd usually do.

> That sounds a little like a dark pattern at work to me...

A little, yes. I stand by that manipulation is not enough included, and deception is not enough, and the link look is not enough. But like I said, I now understand why others are mixing it up – and the point with the different use cases might apply. I was serious in my explanation in another comment that there might be a group of people for who it really works as a manipulation, even though I can't see it working in a general way without prior conditioning, and then it fits the dark pattern definition reasonably well.

Re: Reddit launches image uploads, ditching alliance with Imgur

#399
post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

None of that is a dark pattern. A dark pattern is an UI design that motivates users to use the program/site in a way profitable to the site, but contrary to users' interest. To trick people, see http://darkpatterns.org/ . Redirecting to the whole page instead of the link is just a hotlink protection (as debatable as that is for an image hoster). Animated overlays in mobile is just shitty advertising and UX. But no da…

Here's a screenshot of their Share UI: http://i.imgur.com/6J3CvKD.png There is something labeled very clearly as a "Direct Link." When I paste that link into my browser, I go to the image file. If people are posting the Direct Link and it is indeed redirecting to the full site (per the claims), then that is most certainly a very dark pattern if not an outright example of blatantly lying to their users. So in this cas…

That's actually a good point and argumentation.

I tried to explain above of why that does not feel right to mix it in as dark pattern, but it gets muddy and based on the votes people don't seem to understand it, or just don't find it convincing. Short, adjusted for here: I'm not convinced people would not share and click those links anyway even if it were correctly labeled. But the widget looking like this is a good point against that argumentation of mine.

> if not an outright example of blatantly lying to their users.

That of course. Hotlink protection for an image hoster when even providing official direct link is in any case a deception, maybe a lie. Please don't mistake my argumentation against the use of the dark pattern term as a defense of the behavior.

Re: Reddit launches image uploads, ditching alliance with Imgur

#400
post #318

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then why isn't anyone running an AWS-like service focused for bandwidth-intensive applications hosted on "OVH, Hetzner, etc..."?

Many people do. S3 is convenient though. It handles durability, replication, uptime, etc... and even with the insane markup on bandwidth many startups / companies can afford a $10k/mo bandwidth bill because it's cheaper than hiring some devops and a team to build out the appropriate infrastructure.

That's what I meant with "really cheaper". Sure, bandwidth costs are lower with Hetzner, but that's not everything.
Post reply on HN