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Re: React Tutorial: Cloning Yelp

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Post by zxcvcxz »

ryanSrich wrote: post #73
lopatin wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

React is simple, not complex. Simplicity is like the main benefit of using React if your intention is to build a single page app. If that's not what you need, then yeah, use Rails.

React in a vacuum might be. React in the context of building a real application is not.

I disagree. React it's self is very simple. It's web development that is complicated. Other frameworks that try to do everything like angular are also complicated for the developers. The frameworks that do everything and are easy to use (like meteor) don't offer the extensibility of the more bare bones frameworks. Any web site that wants to grow needs a full control of the stack.

Of course, if all you're building is a static web page then I can see just using some HTML and CSS. But if you want to work professionally as a web developer then you need to know javascript and at least one major framework. You can not stay employed as a "full stack dev" if all you do is write an a couple HTML and CSS files and serve them with python httpSimpleServer.

Re: React Tutorial: Cloning Yelp

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Post by softawre »

romaniv wrote: post #65
eterm wrote: post #3

To me this epitomizes what I feel as I'm trying to explore options for different front-end frameworks. In this article I'm 30 screens down (literally 30 page down presses) and it's not even finished setting up the environment and dependencies. Sure, this is something that you only do once, so if it then leads to much better development workflow it makes sense to have a solid investment upfront, but it makes it very h…

>I'm not blaming react, everything else in the javascript space is just as bad right now. There's at least 4 different ways of loading modules (UMD, AMD, commonJS, es (babel) modules), 2 of which (require(), import .. from) are used within this example. Personally, I got so frustrated with ever-increasing complexity of tools and growing networks of dependencies that whenever I can I try to package my JS code in self-…

Sounds very anti-DRY, though I get where you are coming from.

Re: React Tutorial: Cloning Yelp

#103

Post by jimmytucson »

swanson wrote: post #48

I'm no Javascript Boilerplate Fatigue apologist, but there are many comments in here that are treating this as a "Learn how to use React" tutorial. This is not what is advertised nor the stated reason this article was written. From the first sentence: "we get a lot of questions about how to build large applications with React and how to integrate external APIs" Large application strucutre, external integrations...not…

Sorry, but even the “Getting Started” guide on React's website requires that you have a "CommonJS module system" installed which, if you don't, means you have to make an intelligent choice between Browserify and webpack, which means you have to do some minimal research into what those are (and probably research "babel-js", while you're at it), install one of them using npm, which may require that you install or upgrade node.js which, if you're on a Mac, may require that you install homebrew, which can sometimes open another, deeper can of worms...

And that's just to get your tool chain in place. When you actually get into the tutorial, it starts with "Running a server". Running a server?

I submit that writing even basic, toy applications in React requires a trip to dependency hell and back, unless you already use these tools on a regular basis and keep up with the ever-rapidly-changing debate around build scripts, dependency managers, language preprocessors, etcetera, etcetera.

Re: React Tutorial: Cloning Yelp

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Post by foota »

jimmytucson wrote: post #103
swanson wrote: post #48

I'm no Javascript Boilerplate Fatigue apologist, but there are many comments in here that are treating this as a "Learn how to use React" tutorial. This is not what is advertised nor the stated reason this article was written. From the first sentence: "we get a lot of questions about how to build large applications with React and how to integrate external APIs" Large application strucutre, external integrations...not…

Sorry, but even the “Getting Started” guide on React's website requires that you have a "CommonJS module system" installed which, if you don't, means you have to make an intelligent choice between Browserify and webpack, which means you have to do some minimal research into what those are (and probably research "babel-js", while you're at it), install one of them using npm, which may require that you install or upgra…

Any language or environment has it's hoops that you have to jump through in order to use it, in some cases these happen to be installed for you so it's less noticeable.

Re: React Tutorial: Cloning Yelp

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Post by [deleted] »

jimmytucson wrote: post #103
swanson wrote: post #48

I'm no Javascript Boilerplate Fatigue apologist, but there are many comments in here that are treating this as a "Learn how to use React" tutorial. This is not what is advertised nor the stated reason this article was written. From the first sentence: "we get a lot of questions about how to build large applications with React and how to integrate external APIs" Large application strucutre, external integrations...not…

Sorry, but even the “Getting Started” guide on React's website requires that you have a "CommonJS module system" installed which, if you don't, means you have to make an intelligent choice between Browserify and webpack, which means you have to do some minimal research into what those are (and probably research "babel-js", while you're at it), install one of them using npm, which may require that you install or upgra…

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Re: React Tutorial: Cloning Yelp

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Post by k__ »

bdcravens wrote: post #81
tschellenbach wrote: post #42

More tutorials coming up soon: cabin.getstream.io

Is your site associated with this one? If not this comment seems very out of place.

Well, people are talking about React and React tutorials here. Everyone has a different approach to teaching and learning, so this is a good place to share :)

Re: React Tutorial: Cloning Yelp

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Post by patrickbolle »

drumttocs8 wrote: post #89

I think most everyone agrees that the amount of work to get all these pieces glued together before you can even start is ridiculous- a problem that Meteor set out to fix years ago. It faltered, of course, by being too opinionated. Now that Meteor fully supports React and npm, though, is there any reason not to use it? Sure does remove some pain points.

only thing left for Meteor is the release of Apollo !

Re: React Tutorial: Cloning Yelp

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Post by swanson »

jimmytucson wrote: post #103
swanson wrote: post #48

I'm no Javascript Boilerplate Fatigue apologist, but there are many comments in here that are treating this as a "Learn how to use React" tutorial. This is not what is advertised nor the stated reason this article was written. From the first sentence: "we get a lot of questions about how to build large applications with React and how to integrate external APIs" Large application strucutre, external integrations...not…

Sorry, but even the “Getting Started” guide on React's website requires that you have a "CommonJS module system" installed which, if you don't, means you have to make an intelligent choice between Browserify and webpack, which means you have to do some minimal research into what those are (and probably research "babel-js", while you're at it), install one of them using npm, which may require that you install or upgra…

I'm looking here: https://facebook.github.io/react/docs/getting-started.html

And seeing a JSFiddle link that is fully configured to work and zip file that includes all necessary files.

What am I missing?

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