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Study finds women are responsible for half of some online abuse on Twitter in UK

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Re: Study finds women are responsible for half of some online abuse on Twitter in UK

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This actually mirrors what I've seen in the workplace over the last 35 years - women can be very brutal to each other (just like men). The main difference I've observed is that men tend to forgive each other and move on. Women seem more likely to hold a grudge. I'm obviously not interested in making sweeping generalizations - and this is not a scientific study.

> I'm obviously not interested in making sweeping generalizations That is not obvious to me given the antecedent observations that ultimately brought us to this claim.

What I meant is that these characteristics were observed in only the small number of workplaces that have employed me. And I could have gone on to correlate these behaviors to other characteristics but purposely didn't do that. More importantly, I could elicit corroboration from others who worked in these locations including the woman who first pointed this trend out to me.

Of course, the better technique would be to collect aanonymized data from a wide range of HR departments and look for statistical trends. When complete you'd still see biases ... just like only studying trends by analyzing Twitter.

Re: Study finds women are responsible for half of some online abuse on Twitter in UK

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post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm obviously not interested in making sweeping generalizations That is not obvious to me given the antecedent observations that ultimately brought us to this claim.

What I meant is that these characteristics were observed in only the small number of workplaces that have employed me. And I could have gone on to correlate these behaviors to other characteristics but purposely didn't do that. More importantly, I could elicit corroboration from others who worked in these locations including the woman who first pointed this trend out to me. Of course, the better technique would be to…

That makes much more sense but wasn't clear from the way you put that.

Re: Study finds women are responsible for half of some online abuse on Twitter in UK

#94
post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there any research that show being peer reviewed in fact makes a difference? General speaking, I would think research should just speak for itself.

Generally speaking, you think... well that's nice. Meanwhile, in the world of the scientific method, the issue is that everyone needs to know that you didn't just write something down for fun or profit. If your results can't be replicated... thbbpt.

So given how little work is done reproducing findings, there is minimal value?

Re: Study finds women are responsible for half of some online abuse on Twitter in UK

#95
post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At best one could argue that there's simply less women in these communities due to societal pressures. During the past decade or so I've probably met as many transwomen as "real" women on these hacker IRCs. However, I do believe that women are just as likely and willing to participate when they do end up in these communities. It's just that they're less likely to do so, just as they're less likely to end up working a…

So what you're saying is "when women are part of a community they behave like the community"? Then why is it so hard for people to believe that women on the internet are just as abusive as men on the internet? The internet is a community, or community of communities.

>Then why is it so hard for people to believe that women on the internet are just as abusive as men on the internet?

Is it? I don't find it hard to believe in the slightest, at least based on what I see on twitter and similar sites with a more even gender distribution.

Also, I don't believe you can draw any useful conclusions on the presence or lack of women in the aforementioned fringe communities. These communities are extremely small, and the extremes of abuse perpetrated by their members are vanishingly rare.

Re: Study finds women are responsible for half of some online abuse on Twitter in UK

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I have an adequate supply of bile for the social justice advocates but this isn't a news story that plays against their beliefs.

If you exclude the mob then the majority of them would say that many women have internalized misogyny.

This isn't a fantastic claim as it may at first sound. Many people thinks ill of themselves, many people also hate themselves on a group level. The stereotype of the self hating Jew has some basis in fact. Each nation has people who dislike the people within it despite being members of it.

It is possible to hate your own class, race or culture. It is reasonable to extend that to sex.

I think like with many things there is often a reasonable kernel of truth to why you'd choose to go against your own tribe, but taken too far it can slip over into irrationality.

I am working class but I see a lot of toxic behaviors in it. It is true for example that they are more violent. On the flip side I would also say they are less dishonest than the middle class and much more reliable when the going gets tough. Many middle class people have noticed their neighours flake out easily over little things.

Of course I don't hate my class but at one point as a teen I struggled with it until I realized the other classes have their own suite of flaws as well, they're just less obvious to outsiders.

The most important thing.

Remember that in proximity like competes with like. If you understand this you'll see why the SJWs eat their young, why siblings fight and why in civil wars you're more likely to get attacked by some group that is more similar than different.

If you compete for the same resource you develop enemies. The modern focus on xenophobia ignores the internal competition. The No.1 enemy to Bernie Sanders supporters is Hilary until the nomination, and then Trump. Something like ISIS is at the end of a long list. This truth also explains the existence of fellow travelers.

When you get attacked by a foreign faction everybody joins together. The SJWs unite against non-SJWs. The siblings band together against bullies. The Sunnis and Shias band together as Muslims when faced with western forces. That's why many strategists think an alien invasion would generate world peace!

I'm sure you remember if you're old enough that shortly after 9/11 everybody bought flags. That day was when they realized they were in Team America. People who betray their tribe for whatever reason get torn to pieces because an enemy can use divide and conquer tactics to destroy all of you.

Evidence for my claim would probably be found in the study above. Those women are attacking other women, not other men.

Re: Study finds women are responsible for half of some online abuse on Twitter in UK

#97
post #71

A more accurate title: Half of misogynistic abuse aimed at female twitter users in the UK found to be from other women. The reality is that, in other countries, things may be very different. Also, this study in no way attempted to quantify all forms of online abuse. Heck, if women are this bad to each other, they may actually commit well more than half of all abuse if you include abuse aimed at males. Boys can be pre…

We've used your title suggestion but twisted it to fit 80 chars.

Re: Study finds women are responsible for half of some online abuse on Twitter in UK

#98
post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Generally speaking, you think... well that's nice. Meanwhile, in the world of the scientific method, the issue is that everyone needs to know that you didn't just write something down for fun or profit. If your results can't be replicated... thbbpt.

> If your results can't be replicated Results aren't replicated during peer review, are they?

Depends on the publication, I believe. There was a comment here a bit ago where someone pointed out that such journals do exist (for example, Organic Synthesis https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organic_Syntheses ).
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