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Promoting Marriage Has Failed and Is Unnecessary to Cut Poverty (2015)

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Re: Promoting Marriage Has Failed and Is Unnecessary to Cut Poverty (2015)

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This article basically says How to stop poverty? Give people money.

Yah, that works, but it's better to stop poverty by giving people the tools/opportunity/social environment so that they won't be in poverty in the first place.

That's the idea of promoting marriage, and this article justs seems completely oblivious.

Giving people money to get out of poverty should be short term help, not the long term end goal.

Re: Promoting Marriage Has Failed and Is Unnecessary to Cut Poverty (2015)

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I don't understand this report. You usually marry because you want to be with someone, not because it's efficient. Approaching it from a purely mathematical perspective assumes that randomly grouping people is equal to marrying someone.

You usually marry because you want to be with someone, not because it's efficient. I don't know. You decide to live with someone, share your life with them and and possibly have children with because you want to be with them. Your decision to actually marry them is, in my experience, often driven by some additional external force.

Or you can do like me: Redefine marriage as "living together in a committed relationship". The piece of paper is irrelevant, the way the people live is what matters.

Re: Promoting Marriage Has Failed and Is Unnecessary to Cut Poverty (2015)

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There's also a correlational issue: do people - with the maturity and fortitude to stay committed to a lifelong relationship and forestall the temporary (or even not so temporary) urge to leave someone out of boredom, irritation, and desire to reclaim independence - tend to succeed in education and the workforce by exercising those same character traits? Even the accurate recognition and prioritization of risk mitiga…

Remember the unfortunate murder of the Google exec by his escort? Anecdotal counterpoint: http://heavy.com/tech/2014/07/forrest-timothy-hayes-google-a... I apologize for referencing this, but your comment reminded me of this horrific situation.

Overdosed on heroin on his private yacht with a hooker next to him, probably one of the better ways to go.

Re: Promoting Marriage Has Failed and Is Unnecessary to Cut Poverty (2015)

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I imagine you probably live somewhere where the cost of living is significantly higher than the rest of the country. I left the Washington DC Metro area which is exactly as you describe and moved to Greenville, SC. My wife has been able to be a stay at home mom here and we get access to a decent education for our daughter. Any difference in quality of education can be made up by the parents imo. Leaving an area which…

My wife and I have been looking at cost of living options in a few areas such as the northern part of Virginia. Here in SC, we both work (no kids) and are able to save up. In Virginia we would be barely scraping by at the same income level. My house in SC is worth <$150k. That would literally purchase a double-wide trailer outside of Charlottesville.

Hey Skiningham!

Re: Promoting Marriage Has Failed and Is Unnecessary to Cut Poverty (2015)

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I imagine you probably live somewhere where the cost of living is significantly higher than the rest of the country. I left the Washington DC Metro area which is exactly as you describe and moved to Greenville, SC. My wife has been able to be a stay at home mom here and we get access to a decent education for our daughter. Any difference in quality of education can be made up by the parents imo. Leaving an area which…

It doesn't have to be the entire cost of living, just the cost of housing. In Upstate NY there are farms everywhere so food is cheap. The upside to everything being gray and snowy all the time is that water is basically free. And as for other services like telcos and electricity, we pay around the same as the rest of the country. But then comes rent. It is ridiculous to think that unless you live waaaaaayyy out in th…

One major difference in the North East is that many areas have very high property taxes. It isn't uncommon to find similar property taxes to be a tenth of those values in the South.

Re: Promoting Marriage Has Failed and Is Unnecessary to Cut Poverty (2015)

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Promoting marriage? All I've see is a massive increase in the risk of marrying, especially as a man.

Could you please elaborate? Are you referring to alimony, child support, etc?

I'm sure that's what he's referring too.

Also the massive increase in hypergamy thanks to the commodification of dating.

Re: Promoting Marriage Has Failed and Is Unnecessary to Cut Poverty (2015)

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Promoting marriage? All I've see is a massive increase in the risk of marrying, especially as a man.

Could you please elaborate? Are you referring to alimony, child support, etc?

Combined with a bias in family courts, an acceptance of alternate families (so a reduction in social costs of not marrying), and a rise in the acceptance of divorce. Why marry when you can cohabitate in a state without common law marriage. Having kids is still a challenge because if the couple splits custody still has to be decided, but there are a few options for that as well.

Re: Promoting Marriage Has Failed and Is Unnecessary to Cut Poverty (2015)

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post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You usually marry because you want to be with someone, not because it's efficient. I don't know. You decide to live with someone, share your life with them and and possibly have children with because you want to be with them. Your decision to actually marry them is, in my experience, often driven by some additional external force.

Or you can do like me: Redefine marriage as "living together in a committed relationship". The piece of paper is irrelevant, the way the people live is what matters.

Depends where you live. In many places the piece of paper is very relevant when it comes to things like inheritance and child custody. That was one of the reasons my wife and I got married after living together for 8 years and having a kid.

Re: Promoting Marriage Has Failed and Is Unnecessary to Cut Poverty (2015)

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It doesn't have to be the entire cost of living, just the cost of housing. In Upstate NY there are farms everywhere so food is cheap. The upside to everything being gray and snowy all the time is that water is basically free. And as for other services like telcos and electricity, we pay around the same as the rest of the country. But then comes rent. It is ridiculous to think that unless you live waaaaaayyy out in th…

What upstate NY are you talking about? I've looked into buying a house up there and it looks incredibly cheap.

Ithaca, where income-to-housing costs rival San Francisco.

Like I said, it's fine if you want to live in the boonies, but that also means you're an hour away from anything resembling civilization.

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