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Why Education Does Not Fix Poverty (2015)
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Re: Why Education Does Not Fix Poverty (2015)
#112Earlier quoted context omitted.
Forbes: "Six Reasons Why Your College Major Doesn't Matter" ( http://www.forbes.com/sites/ashleystahl/2015/08/12/six-reaso... ) NY Times: "Does the College Major Matter? Not Really" ( http://thechoice.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/04/29/does-the-colle... ) WSJ: "Your College Major Is a Minor Issue, Employers Say" ( http://blogs.wsj.com/atwork/2013/04/10/your-college-major-is... )
Major Premium: http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2013/04/major_premium.ht...
I'm fuzzy on how the college premium is measured/calculated, but it seems like these premium data contradict the data in the OP’s article which are claimed to show that college education does not inhance earning ability. Am I wrong?
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#113Earlier quoted context omitted.
Major Premium: http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2013/04/major_premium.ht...
Interesting data. Seems to me like there's a top tier of 3 highly technical majors (EE, CS, ME), and then a big cluster of 9 pretty decent majors (10 of the 12 at this stage might reasonably be called "STEM"). Communications is in the decent tier for women but not men. And then there are a bunch of weaker majors. The only thing that's even remotely surprising to me is that Chemistry isn't a little higher.
Basically: don't major in fluff, learn the hard shit.
Unfortunately, that doesn't really help out the 50% or so of the population that really doesn't have the abilities to hack that kind of material.
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#114Education made jobs more competitive. It was a social lift taking people up. On the other hand, by making workers more productive it reinforced the competitive advantage of being born wealthy. Too harsh competitions creates cheating. And there is no lift taking wealthy/high positioned people down when they are incompetent, especially when governments gives free money to the stock exchange (QE). Well, we are heading f…
We could only wish to be as socially mobile as the Victorians http://ereh.oxfordjournals.org/content/17/1/1.abstract EDIT: from the paper, it appears that mass education in England toward the end of the Victorian era only made a short-lived dent in social mobility, presumably because any temporary advantage in being more educated levelled out after a generation. In the UK up to the 1960s-1980s, working class people c…
So funny, it reminds me of my banana republic called France: our public teachers are on strike once a year to complain they don't have enough fund to support their mission of "social lift" and republican equality, but they are the first to shortcut and walkaround egalitarian measure to ensure a better success to their kids and the wealthy one they put in "special classes"...
Sometimes, I lose trust in what people pretend to do when I look at what they actually do.
Nowadays France (and some European countries) over invest in higher education that only increase segregation funded by the public taxes, while finland radical focus on early years and well being of kids have proven way more cheaper and efficient.
I so wish our elite PhD in ministers could read scientific papers, figures, and be fucking curious, but well, it would mean more competition for their own kids. Wouldn't it?
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#115So can one assess this is a racial problem after all? For years, liberals tell us the high poverty of negroes and hispanics was due to lack of education. If it's not education, what is it then? And why are Asian-Americans not facing the same issues? I suspect it's a racial identity issue. The best way to understand this point is looking at the mainstream media and how the different races are portraied. Only an idiot…
Nobody wants to admit it, but in broad strokes, intelligence and success is heritable.
https://randomcriticalanalysis.wordpress.com/2016/05/09/my-r...
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#116Earlier quoted context omitted.
Please give some example how knowledge of programming would help a truck driver, a cook or a welder to be more efficient in their jobs.
People have no fucking clue how welding actually works here, do they... There's a difference between slagging shit together with a MIG gun, and stick or TIG welding. Ideally, you would know all the chemistry and physics underlying what you are doing, but the reality is that most people learn rules of thumb and get on with it. Use this type of rod, and this setting on the welder, for plain steel, this combination for…
I studied Material Science Engineering, never welded anything(high-ed is a long-form joke??), but I hope to learn. I'm certainly glad I know how to code and I know a lot of the underlying chemistry/physics.
I doubt there are very many welders out there who could not learn MatScie or how to code. I also doubt there are very many welders out there willing to put in the work to learn to code or to learn MatScie.
And that doesn't mean they're lazy. Different types of learning require different efforts.
Re: Why Education Does Not Fix Poverty (2015)
#117Family structure is actually huge when talking about poverty.
First, poverty statistics comparing 1950 to today are more complex than they appear since the marriage rate has dropped a lot. There are more single-income households, so the average household income looks different though income might not have changed all that much.
Second there is a very strong correlation between marriage rates in neighborhoods and poverty levels in the same neighborhoods. Likewise, there is a very strong correlation between marriages in households with children and poverty rates in those households. Very few households with two working partners live in poverty.
It's... complicated to discuss family structure when talking about poverty and child welfare, but it's possible (I would argue likely) that family structure is a key contributor here. In my opinion it's rather foolish not to at least bring it up and consider it.
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#118Earlier quoted context omitted.
People have no fucking clue how welding actually works here, do they... There's a difference between slagging shit together with a MIG gun, and stick or TIG welding. Ideally, you would know all the chemistry and physics underlying what you are doing, but the reality is that most people learn rules of thumb and get on with it. Use this type of rod, and this setting on the welder, for plain steel, this combination for…
I studied Material Science Engineering, never welded anything(high-ed is a long-form joke??), but I hope to learn. I'm certainly glad I know how to code and I know a lot of the underlying chemistry/physics. I doubt there are very many welders out there who could not learn MatScie or how to code. I also doubt there are very many welders out there willing to put in the work to learn to code or to learn MatScie. And tha…
For what it's worth, I'm not saying that we should teach welders how to code, but rather that if everybody gets some exposure to coding in school, then the next generation of welders might already know the basics and be able to integrate that into their jobs.
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#119Some say that stats are deceiving. They aren't, but one can make them lie. Thanks for doing them right.
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#120Just a side note: The OPM is adjusted for inflation (set at three times the cost of a minimum food diet in 1963, updated annually for inflation using the Consumer Price Index, see: http://www.irp.wisc.edu/faqs/faq2.htm#official ). So if wages and inflation always increase in sync then there would be no reason for the number of people living in poverty to change (even if their living standards are higher in absolute t…
If you view education as teaching people to learn, then you might have an argument that education rates enable and empower people. If you're training robots who don't think for themselves then you'll encounter the situation you've just described.