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Visiting Chelsea Manning in prison

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Re: Visiting Chelsea Manning in prison

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> I will be Chelsea’s first visitor since her sister in November.

> I bring up her recent appeal to reduce her sentence from 35 years to 10 years, and she seems worried that it didn’t receive enough coverage in the press. She hopes that the world hasn’t forgotten about her.

I am afraid world has already forgotten.

Google search for "site:news.ycombinator.com Chelsea Manning" for past month gives three results including this one. "Manning" gives more results, but only in reference to Snowden and Panama Papers, no prison.

And transgender rights activists are more busy with right gender pronouns then with him/her.

Re: Visiting Chelsea Manning in prison

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> I will be Chelsea’s first visitor since her sister in November. > I bring up her recent appeal to reduce her sentence from 35 years to 10 years, and she seems worried that it didn’t receive enough coverage in the press. She hopes that the world hasn’t forgotten about her. I am afraid world has already forgotten. Google search for "site:news.ycombinator.com Chelsea Manning" for past month gives three results includi…

A lack of headlines doesn't mean people have forgotten. This story proves that not everyone has forgotten.

Re: Visiting Chelsea Manning in prison

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> I will be Chelsea’s first visitor since her sister in November. > I bring up her recent appeal to reduce her sentence from 35 years to 10 years, and she seems worried that it didn’t receive enough coverage in the press. She hopes that the world hasn’t forgotten about her. I am afraid world has already forgotten. Google search for "site:news.ycombinator.com Chelsea Manning" for past month gives three results includi…

Haven't forgotten. After reading this I'd like to write Chelsea. I'm also inspired to do more anti-prison and anti-solitary activism. This looks like a very touching book on solitary confinement - (Hell is a Very Small Place) http://www.amazon.com/Hell-Very-Small-Place-Confinement/dp/1...

Re: Visiting Chelsea Manning in prison

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> I will be Chelsea’s first visitor since her sister in November. > I bring up her recent appeal to reduce her sentence from 35 years to 10 years, and she seems worried that it didn’t receive enough coverage in the press. She hopes that the world hasn’t forgotten about her. I am afraid world has already forgotten. Google search for "site:news.ycombinator.com Chelsea Manning" for past month gives three results includi…

CHELSEA E. MANNING 89289

1300 NORTH WAREHOUSE ROAD

FORT LEAVENWORTH, KANSAS 66027-2304

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Found that by following a link. https://www.chelseamanning.org/learn-more/write-to-chelsea-m... Make sure to follow the on-page instructions or your correspondence will be rejected/returned. The conditions are quite strict. They check for obscenities which is hilarious -- assuming movies like Full Metal Jacket are an accurate depiction of Army life. Append USA from overseas obviously.

Perhaps if we wrote it would hope alive as the cliché goes.

Re: Visiting Chelsea Manning in prison

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Whatever sympathies you want to arouse for Pvt Manning for political purposes, however wordily and clumsily expressed, try to keep in mind that throughout all of history, in all contexts, regardless of rank, Manning would have been summarily hanged as a spy and/or traitor rather than merely imprisoned. Manning got off nice and easy.

That said, it was a total failure of the system to allow someone so mentally unstable to have any kind of clearance. Manning's AFQT score was probably 99 at a time when the army had trouble getting anyone literate to join. And so there wasn't a discharge. Here's an interesting interview about Manning's (near) discharge:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/may/28/bradley-manning...

Re: Visiting Chelsea Manning in prison

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Whatever sympathies you want to arouse for Pvt Manning for political purposes, however wordily and clumsily expressed, try to keep in mind that throughout all of history, in all contexts, regardless of rank, Manning would have been summarily hanged as a spy and/or traitor rather than merely imprisoned. Manning got off nice and easy. That said, it was a total failure of the system to allow someone so mentally unstable…

I'm guessing with the amount of money that the U.S. invests in each soldier, there's a pretty overriding impetus to not disqualify people from positions that need people to fill them.

Re: Visiting Chelsea Manning in prison

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> I will be Chelsea’s first visitor since her sister in November. > I bring up her recent appeal to reduce her sentence from 35 years to 10 years, and she seems worried that it didn’t receive enough coverage in the press. She hopes that the world hasn’t forgotten about her. I am afraid world has already forgotten. Google search for "site:news.ycombinator.com Chelsea Manning" for past month gives three results includi…

> And transgender rights activists are more busy with right gender pronouns then with him/her.

I like how you felt the need to take an anti-trans dig at the woman you're claiming to care about. That was classy.

Re: Visiting Chelsea Manning in prison

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Whatever sympathies you want to arouse for Pvt Manning for political purposes, however wordily and clumsily expressed, try to keep in mind that throughout all of history, in all contexts, regardless of rank, Manning would have been summarily hanged as a spy and/or traitor rather than merely imprisoned. Manning got off nice and easy. That said, it was a total failure of the system to allow someone so mentally unstable…

Most of history is completely irrelevant to how people should be treated today. Through most of history all of us would be illiterate and internetless and not be having this conversation.

Re: Visiting Chelsea Manning in prison

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Whatever sympathies you want to arouse for Pvt Manning for political purposes, however wordily and clumsily expressed, try to keep in mind that throughout all of history, in all contexts, regardless of rank, Manning would have been summarily hanged as a spy and/or traitor rather than merely imprisoned. Manning got off nice and easy. That said, it was a total failure of the system to allow someone so mentally unstable…

> ...at a time when the army had trouble getting anyone literate...

In 2007? Where are you getting that? For the USMC 01-09 were glory years when it came to enlistment quality, so much so that they tightened requirements - and practically banned recruits and reenlistees with visible tattoos... while doubling in size. I'd be surprised to learn that the Army didn't enjoy the same trend.

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