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Reddit launches image uploads, ditching alliance with Imgur

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Re: Reddit launches image uploads, ditching alliance with Imgur

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Colocation hosting your own servers around the world... you know, the original way.

Is that really cheaper than S3, though?

Way cheaper. Amazon is a middleman for hardware. Even at smallest scales the cost of buying a server pays off within a year. In exchange you get convenience and the ability to scale up on demand without buying more hardware.

Re: Reddit launches image uploads, ditching alliance with Imgur

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What are some better alternatives to s3?

Colocation hosting your own servers around the world... you know, the original way.

Even cheaper and easier is just to rent dedicated servers or VPSes.

Re: Reddit launches image uploads, ditching alliance with Imgur

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Because they probably aren't charities, and can't afford to donat e Free resources for your perpetual enjoyment?

> Because they probably aren't charities, and can't afford to donat e Free resources for your perpetual enjoyment? Then why did they start a free service to begin with, if they knew from the start it couldn't last? Right, to trick people into becoming dependent on the free service so they'll be reluctant to leave once the shady, UX-degrading monetization starts. You'll forgive me if I'm not sympathetic to that busine…

It's far more reasonable to think there are other explanations than what effectively comes across as very negative intent from the beginning.

For example, they may have hoped or believed they could find a better business model over time, an alternative to the traditional ad models. Based on watching their various experiments since the day they got started, I can say for a fact they did try other things (two examples: Imgur as a service via paid API and Imgur Pro accounts).

Is it more likely the Imgur founder was naive or malevolent? The answer is extremely obvious.

Re: Reddit launches image uploads, ditching alliance with Imgur

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I want to know whether Imgur's dark patterns are because the site isn't profitable, or because it isn't profitable enough . Because they've sort of cut their own throat here, and it would be interesting to know whether it was from necessity or greed.

Lots of image upload sites does this, start out good and eventually add a lot of crap to monetise. Does it mean they cut their throat or does it mean the creator just set himself up for a life of money? Genuine question, maybe this is just a way to become rich, maybe these shitty upload sites make enough money that they simply pick this way instead of keeping it pure.

My guess is that imgur started out profitable but that ended when gifs became popular. /r/all is about 50% gifs nowadays. The low bandwidth of an image host makes it possible to allow hotlinking but that doesn't work with videos.

Re: Reddit launches image uploads, ditching alliance with Imgur

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To be fair, bandwidth isn't free. Imgur can't serve hotlinked content for free, forever.

To be fair, they could have operated a simple and effectively profitable business, and grown at an economically normal rate. But hey, I guess I wouldn't say no to $40M of a16z's money and a $200M valuation either.

I assume your familiar with their operating costs somehow? I have direct experience at a different (older) host. It was simply not possible to serve the tremendous bandwidth needs without increasingly aggressive monetization. I have no idea what they're costs look like and bandwidth is much cheaper than it was 10 years ago, but I'd wager that there was no profitable business for them at any point without intrusive ads.

Re: Reddit launches image uploads, ditching alliance with Imgur

#127

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Colocation hosting your own servers around the world... you know, the original way.

Even cheaper and easier is just to rent dedicated servers or VPSes.

One of the earlier Imgur style hosts, ImageVenue, did this very successfully (they were extremely large in terms of traffic at their peak and for the time, until better options came along).

The founder, Vlad, used to rent out cheap dedicated boxes with about 500gb of bandwidth per box for $60 to $80 per month. He'd cycle upload machines - eg 123.imagevenue.com - and fill up the drives on them until no more space was available; when bandwidth was exhausted, that was that for the month. Typically image file downloads would decline on any given upload over time, so machine resources would free back up in terms of bandwidth and deleting images that weren't viewed after N amount of time.

Re: Reddit launches image uploads, ditching alliance with Imgur

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"direct" links to an image uploaded sometimes/usually redirect to imgur page, with lots of ads and shitty content, obnoxious, animated overlays that block out part of the image on mobile, etc

To be fair, bandwidth isn't free. Imgur can't serve hotlinked content for free, forever.

That's a reason for a pattern, not a dark pattern, though.

Re: Reddit launches image uploads, ditching alliance with Imgur

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[ deleted ] -- I removed it because I got tired of trying to explain the nuance.

That is absolutely false. Plenty of large companies are able to negotiate their rates on AWS. You just have to be huge.

Do you realize that the person you're responding to used to run Reddit's servers?

Re: Reddit launches image uploads, ditching alliance with Imgur

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> Because they probably aren't charities, and can't afford to donat e Free resources for your perpetual enjoyment? Then why did they start a free service to begin with, if they knew from the start it couldn't last? Right, to trick people into becoming dependent on the free service so they'll be reluctant to leave once the shady, UX-degrading monetization starts. You'll forgive me if I'm not sympathetic to that busine…

+1 to this. People should stop being soften with unrealistic business that uses the ad hororem tactic. Imgur can explore dozens of models.

I think you're forgetting that we live in a world of capitalism. Nobody promised no one nothing. Owners and share holders decide a business model and it's up to you, the consumer, to decide whether you go with it or not. There's always alternatives, if a service seems bad to you, choose a different one, but don't blame the owners for not choosing a business model that would suit you personally.
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