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An industry that helps Chinese cheat their way into and through US colleges

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Re: An industry that helps Chinese cheat their way into and through US colleges

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A 3.5 is easy. I got a a 3.82 at my school of engineering, while working, and commuting for about 4 hours per day. I didn't really even try that hard in school.

Congrats, you're my first down vote. Seriously though, here you either add to the conversation or perish. Bragging about your GPA is not only childish, but completely irrelevant to prett much everything....in life.

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Re: An industry that helps Chinese cheat their way into and through US colleges

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How would this be done? What kind of language, etc. would enable this?

Any language with support for web crawling? I can sorta see it being done in Node with cheerio[1] and an HTTP client. [1] https://github.com/cheeriojs/cheerio

Would probably be my first choice these days too...

Re: An industry that helps Chinese cheat their way into and through US colleges

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As a former Chinese international student graduated from one of the top Canadian universities with distinction, I have mixed feelings about this. On one hand, the toxic culture permeated the Chinese visa student community is definitely responsible for the high rate of cheating. Most Chinese visa students came to study in the west did not came to pursue academic excellence. They (and their parents most likely) see it as a way to beef up their profile with a foreign diploma. This was a culture that I tried so desperately to stay away from when I was in school.

On the other hand, I feel bad that the broad generalization impacts tremendously negatively those Chinese visa students who did pursue their dream and passion which led them to a foreign university. I worked hard to graduate with distinction, and learned my stuff well enough to go on and have a successful career, but I always feel I have to go the extra mile just to prove myself; I have to go above-and-beyond just to gain equal footing. I cannot quantify the negative impact the those people cause, but it's incredibly unfair to be prejudiced just because I may look like those people.

Academic dishonesty is certainly not a Chinese-only problem. The media singling out a group such as the Chinese visa students is certainly a popular thing to do to gain clicks, but it's a little unfair.

Re: An industry that helps Chinese cheat their way into and through US colleges

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Interestingly, I go to a big state school that is somewhat a playground for the international Chinese elite. It's very common to see chinese international students driving $80,000+ cars and many of those same students cheating in classes. In a grad stat/software engineering class I took, most of them shared the same code for the assignments (in front of the professor). I hate to generalize because some of them are ho…

There used to be a section of Commonwealth Ave around Boston University known as a supercar parking lot, mostly driven by internationals. Cheating of the sort above was rampant. But I figured since they were paying full fare they were subsidizing us rubes so it was worth it. Ultimately college is about what you learn, not your classmates, and what happens after. I saw a couple of kids like this come through our "home…

> Ultimately college is about what you learn, not your classmates

Some would beg to differ. The veracity of that statement is certainly variable depending on your field of study.

Re: An industry that helps Chinese cheat their way into and through US colleges

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I just interview people. I really don't care where they went to school, or if they have a degree. If they've got the chops, that's all I care about. In a small company it's pretty easy to avoid the automatic filters of large companies, the ones that screen out applicants without degrees, or from "wrong" universities, or who have low GPAs. Most of these metrics don't seem to matter in the long run (but they are easy f…

Why do you think you can assess whether they've "got the chops" in an interview better than a university can assess competency in four years?

Incentives.

Re: An industry that helps Chinese cheat their way into and through US colleges

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I was taking a school bus license endorsement exam and saw they throw out a Chinese girl for cheating. The examiner said it was a fairly frequent occurrence. They couldn't read the questions or answers but they could match the picture with the correct line of answers on the computerized testing machine after enough memorization.

Re: An industry that helps Chinese cheat their way into and through US colleges

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> and then use their frat connections to land exceedingly awesome jobs That happens everywhere though. It's not endemic to "frat bros"—a lot of people find jobs through connections rather than only grades. Most of the time it's through a family friend or family member, or in CS through open source or meet ups. It sucks when you don't have any connections but it's not unfair; it's just how it is. Should I not tell an…

"it's not unfair; it's just how it is" It kind of is unfair. Why should someone get preferential treatment just because you happen to know them? Also there's a difference between recommending someone for a job and "Hey this is my buddy, don't look at her resume and we can also skip most of the interview process". There's different degrees of nepotism, they are all usually a bit 'unfair'. But then, life is unfair and…

Most business owners don't hire an employee 'just because you know them'.

They try to find the best candidate through the people they already know.

It's all about risk/reward. A random candidate will most likely be a higher risk than a know candidate.

Would you rather be roomates with a random person on craigslist or a friend of a friend?

Re: An industry that helps Chinese cheat their way into and through US colleges

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High school students' parents in China give gifts to teachers to guarantee good grades for their kids.

This culture of cheating goes beyond cheating on the American tests.

In the business world, it's common to give gifts to your boss to get a promotion.

China will not surpass us economically any time soon. Their educational and promotional systems have a long way to go.

Re: An industry that helps Chinese cheat their way into and through US colleges

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post #41

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I just interview people. I really don't care where they went to school, or if they have a degree. If they've got the chops, that's all I care about. In a small company it's pretty easy to avoid the automatic filters of large companies, the ones that screen out applicants without degrees, or from "wrong" universities, or who have low GPAs. Most of these metrics don't seem to matter in the long run (but they are easy f…

Why do you think you can assess whether they've "got the chops" in an interview better than a university can assess competency in four years?

Because the university and myself are assessing different sets of competencies. They are measuring academic performance, usually in mathematics or computer science, and I am looking for people who can help my company build better software. Those two competencies aren't always strongly correlated. Thus I must assess "chops" as well as I can.

Additionally, the farther out from a candidate's graduation the interview takes place, the less their GPA matters compared the work they have done since they left. If you have a great resume and come highly recommended I'm not very concerned with how well you did in your calc 2 or operating systems courses.

Re: An industry that helps Chinese cheat their way into and through US colleges

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This is happening on a mass scale at University of California, Irvine. Nobody is investigating.

It's happening at virtually every large state school with many foreign students. The schools let them get away with it because of the absurd amount of $$$ they pay to go to school here. It's become a serious source of revenue for many schools and I think they're unwilling to part with it, especially with the way many states are cutting education spending.
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