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Peter Thiel, Tech Billionaire, Reveals Secret War with Gawker

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Re: Peter Thiel, Tech Billionaire, Reveals Secret War with Gawker

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

All I see are slippery slope arguments claiming that, next time, Thiel might go after someone who didn't unarguably deserve it.

Why do you think the wealthy should be able to stop the free press from publishing things they don't like?

Freedom from speech isn't freedom from consequences. Gawker can publish what they like, and when they break laws against revenge porn they can be sued.

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post #14

Thiel claims to despise "massive privacy violations" on the part of groups like Gawker, yet he was one of the co-founders of Palantir. These people are just narcissists who want revenge for someone splashing mud on their boots. They're not fighting for our privacy, or for the common good. Sorry buddy, you are worth more than 99.999% of us. That makes you a significant figure and thus newsworthy. Your sexual orientati…

I might be interpreting your words, but are you suggesting that being extremely wealthy is reason enough to give up on privacy?

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Josh Marshall, from John Gruber: It all comes down to a simple point. You may not like Gawker. They’ve published stories I would have been ashamed to publish. But if the extremely wealthy, under a veil secrecy, can destroy publications they want to silence, that’s a far bigger threat to freedom of the press than most of the things we commonly worry about on that front. If this is the new weapon in the arsenal of the…

> But if the extremely wealthy, under a veil secrecy, can destroy publications they want to silence, Is there some method of 'destruction' that isn't reported on here, other than Peter Thiel financing Hulk Hogan's lawsuit? I think you are going to be hard-pressed to find people that think Gawker should be able to publish a 'sex tape', ignore a court order to take it down, because it's 'journalism'.

They specifically dropped the part of the case that would allow an insurance payout. Typically, people who don't want to destroy an organization will prefer to get the more assured money from insurance.

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Josh Marshall, from John Gruber: It all comes down to a simple point. You may not like Gawker. They’ve published stories I would have been ashamed to publish. But if the extremely wealthy, under a veil secrecy, can destroy publications they want to silence, that’s a far bigger threat to freedom of the press than most of the things we commonly worry about on that front. If this is the new weapon in the arsenal of the…

This is a poorly thought out argument. He isn't doing anything under-handed or illegal to destroy Gawker. He isn't fabricating evidence against them or paying off cops.

He's simply financing a non-spurious lawsuit, which the courts have decided was legitimate. This is exactly what I want the billionaires in our society doing.

He may be acting in his own self-interest, but it also happened to align with the public interest. And if the courts had decided against Hogan, it all would have been for nothing. There is no grand problem here. He isn't "destroying publications he wishes to silence", he's augmenting the resources of someone with a legitimate legal claim against the newspaper.

If you are putting forth the argument that merely financing a lawsuit is a corruption of the public trust, then we have much more serious problems with our legal system than Peter Thiel having it out for Gawker. Anyone should be able to fund any lawsuit that they want, and then the courts will decide if that lawsuit has merit. That's why we have courts in the first place.

Re: Peter Thiel, Tech Billionaire, Reveals Secret War with Gawker

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Josh Marshall, from John Gruber: It all comes down to a simple point. You may not like Gawker. They’ve published stories I would have been ashamed to publish. But if the extremely wealthy, under a veil secrecy, can destroy publications they want to silence, that’s a far bigger threat to freedom of the press than most of the things we commonly worry about on that front. If this is the new weapon in the arsenal of the…

Man John is just a little dramatic sometimes. Financing a lawsuit which so far seems to be legitimate under US law is equated with destroying publications?

The fact that gawker is online after losing the trial pretty much illustrates the point.

Re: Peter Thiel, Tech Billionaire, Reveals Secret War with Gawker

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post #14

Thiel claims to despise "massive privacy violations" on the part of groups like Gawker, yet he was one of the co-founders of Palantir. These people are just narcissists who want revenge for someone splashing mud on their boots. They're not fighting for our privacy, or for the common good. Sorry buddy, you are worth more than 99.999% of us. That makes you a significant figure and thus newsworthy. Your sexual orientati…

Just because you are rich or influential doesn't mean you don't get a right to privacy. If people want to know his stance on being gay, ask him. At what dollar figure do you lose these rights exactly? Why should your sexual orientation matter more than your words or actions?

Re: Peter Thiel, Tech Billionaire, Reveals Secret War with Gawker

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Josh Marshall, from John Gruber: It all comes down to a simple point. You may not like Gawker. They’ve published stories I would have been ashamed to publish. But if the extremely wealthy, under a veil secrecy, can destroy publications they want to silence, that’s a far bigger threat to freedom of the press than most of the things we commonly worry about on that front. If this is the new weapon in the arsenal of the…

Peter Thiel is not directly damaging Gawker with his money. He's doing so via the intermediary of the justice system, where for whatever reason money has relevance. Peter Thiel is just incidentally throwing his money in this direction, but that money has a matter in justice is not the doing of Peter Thiel.

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post #8
post #4

>He added: “It’s not for me to decide what happens to Gawker. If America rallies around Gawker and decides we want more people to be outed and more sex tapes to be posted without consent, then they will find a way to save Gawker, and I can’t stop it.” An important reminder of exactly what conduct, on Gawker's part, people are defending. They have no moral high ground, noble principles, or higher purpose. They're scum…

An important reminder of exactly what conduct, on Gawker's part, people are defending. This is a lousy strawman. It's possible to both find Gawker abhorrent and think that Thiel's conduct is deeply unethical.

Exactly what is unethical about his conduct here? I really don't understand what problem anyone has with this.

Re: Peter Thiel, Tech Billionaire, Reveals Secret War with Gawker

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post #12
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Freedom of speech does not imply freedom of consequences from speech.

I must admit, it is funny seeing the inversion on this from the usual free speech absolutists :)

I do enjoy watching people quote one of Gawker's favorite lines back at them.

Re: Peter Thiel, Tech Billionaire, Reveals Secret War with Gawker

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Josh Marshall, from John Gruber: It all comes down to a simple point. You may not like Gawker. They’ve published stories I would have been ashamed to publish. But if the extremely wealthy, under a veil secrecy, can destroy publications they want to silence, that’s a far bigger threat to freedom of the press than most of the things we commonly worry about on that front. If this is the new weapon in the arsenal of the…

If "scrutinize them closely" means leak private sex tapes, then I'm happy to see few publications willing to do so.
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