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An industry that helps Chinese cheat their way into and through US colleges

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Re: An industry that helps Chinese cheat their way into and through US colleges

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Post by netheril96 »

leroy_masochist wrote: post #69

Perhaps a dumb question but why doesn't the Chinese government crack down on this? I feel like they have a pretty good handle on what's going on within their borders, and this issue is poisoning the reputation of Chinese-born young people whether as applicants to companies, applicants to grad school, or generally as trustworthy human beings. Is it because the college students benefiting from these operations are the…

Why should the Chinese government help Chinese apply to American universities and companies? They certainly want the best and brightest to stay home.

Re: An industry that helps Chinese cheat their way into and through US colleges

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Post by leroy_masochist »

netheril96 wrote: post #71
leroy_masochist wrote: post #69

Perhaps a dumb question but why doesn't the Chinese government crack down on this? I feel like they have a pretty good handle on what's going on within their borders, and this issue is poisoning the reputation of Chinese-born young people whether as applicants to companies, applicants to grad school, or generally as trustworthy human beings. Is it because the college students benefiting from these operations are the…

Why should the Chinese government help Chinese apply to American universities and companies? They certainly want the best and brightest to stay home.

True, but they also want their young people to get the best quality education available, especially in STEM, which is currently (and probably not forever) disproportionately situated in America.

Re: An industry that helps Chinese cheat their way into and through US colleges

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Post by supster »

jdavis703 wrote: post #68
s_baby wrote: post #27

The international students have unreasonably high standards for maintaining financial assistance and staying out of academic probation(3.5-3.8 at my university). By design college courses give work just a little beyond what a student can reasonably accomplish(with a "good" grade) and curve accordingly. These kids aren't just cheating they are marginalizing students who are honest or don't have this kind of social acc…

A 3.5 is easy. I got a a 3.82 at my school of engineering, while working, and commuting for about 4 hours per day. I didn't really even try that hard in school.

I imagine it's a lot tougher if English is not your native language.

Re: An industry that helps Chinese cheat their way into and through US colleges

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Post by netheril96 »

msie wrote: post #59
knn wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interestingly, I go to a big state school that is somewhat a playground for the international Chinese elite. It's very common to see chinese international students driving $80,000+ cars and many of those same students cheating in classes. In a grad stat/software engineering class I took, most of them shared the same code for the assignments (in front of the professor). I hate to generalize because some of them are ho…

The professor should be held responsible for letting the cheaters get away with it. Not that hard to find cheaters in a programming class if he/she cared.

More likely scenario is that the professors have been told by the school to turn a blind eye.

Re: An industry that helps Chinese cheat their way into and through US colleges

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Post by otoburb »

sotojuan wrote: post #51
otoburb wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>most of them shared the same code for the assignments ( in front of the professor ). [...] cheating is a terrible part of the subculture Which is terrible - your particular university's subculture of cheating-condoning professors, or a Chinese student subculture of cheating?

Chinese international subculture of cheating, I assume.

I assumed that too, but the additional implication I'm reading into the parent comment is that the professor might be in on it too.

Re: An industry that helps Chinese cheat their way into and through US colleges

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Post by jazzyk »

jdavis703 wrote: post #68
s_baby wrote: post #27

The international students have unreasonably high standards for maintaining financial assistance and staying out of academic probation(3.5-3.8 at my university). By design college courses give work just a little beyond what a student can reasonably accomplish(with a "good" grade) and curve accordingly. These kids aren't just cheating they are marginalizing students who are honest or don't have this kind of social acc…

A 3.5 is easy. I got a a 3.82 at my school of engineering, while working, and commuting for about 4 hours per day. I didn't really even try that hard in school.

Your humble brag is not that humble. Try again.

Re: An industry that helps Chinese cheat their way into and through US colleges

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Post by whyenot »

jdavis703 wrote: post #68
s_baby wrote: post #27

The international students have unreasonably high standards for maintaining financial assistance and staying out of academic probation(3.5-3.8 at my university). By design college courses give work just a little beyond what a student can reasonably accomplish(with a "good" grade) and curve accordingly. These kids aren't just cheating they are marginalizing students who are honest or don't have this kind of social acc…

A 3.5 is easy. I got a a 3.82 at my school of engineering, while working, and commuting for about 4 hours per day. I didn't really even try that hard in school.

It was easy for you, and that's great. Just because it was easy for you doesn't mean it would be easy for most people in the program.

Re: An industry that helps Chinese cheat their way into and through US colleges

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Post by leesalminen »

I was enrolled in a Business Calculus course (100 level) my freshman year. The "instructor" of the class at the front of the room could not speak English intelligibly. I speak multiple languages and am decent at interpreting broken English, but it was not even close to understandable. I left, never went back (except for exams). I still passed just fine, but really was a terrible intro experience to college at a large state school.

Re: An industry that helps Chinese cheat their way into and through US colleges

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Post by yeowMeng »

xviia wrote: post #56
yeowMeng wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anyone else like Bob Dylan... If people cheat, I believe there is a slow train comming. Example: I had a friend who had an interview for company XYZ, "Write a program that clicks the first link in a wikipedia entry and exits when you reach the philosophy page (implement in the language of your choice). You have 15 mins"... My friend was a really hard working, intelligent, and honest guy and he could not do it... i do…

How would this be done? What kind of language, etc. would enable this?

Wget/sh/sed/awk/perl soup
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