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An industry that helps Chinese cheat their way into and through US colleges

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Re: An industry that helps Chinese cheat their way into and through US colleges

#11
Sadly, not a new thing and not just US universities.

Ghostwriting scandal that hit a bunch of Australian universities about 18 months ago:

http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/students-enlist-mym...

"Australia's international student market is a $15 billion industry and the country's largest export after iron ore, coal and gold"... and money talks.

Re: An industry that helps Chinese cheat their way into and through US colleges

#12
Australia is also a popular destination for Chinese students and sees high rates of cheating for many of the same reasons as those given in the article. Poor language skills allowed by lax student visa requirements, isolation, and the high penalties for failing a course when your family is paying full price creates desperation.

4 corners did a pretty good story on it and the smh investigation into MyMaster was also pretty good. Even if you can't get the video on 4 corners, the transcript is available.

http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/stories/2015/04/20/4217741.ht...

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/mymaster-essay-cheating-scandal-mo...

Re: An industry that helps Chinese cheat their way into and through US colleges

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post #9

Cheating is and always should be a pox that needs to be eradicated. But let's not turn a blind eye to what's happening here locally. Parents in the 1% spend an extraordinary amount of money and resources on college-prep companies, many of which tell the kids exactly what extracurriculars to take, what to do after school, and virtually write the entire outline of their admissions essays. It's little wonder that school…

That's way different than these companies producing fake transcripts and even taking exams on behalf of students. Everyone has right to do college-prep as much as they like and everyone would get help in essays from friends, parents and professionals. But flat out lying, making up your grades and having someone else take exams for you is whole different ball game.

Re: An industry that helps Chinese cheat their way into and through US colleges

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post #9

Cheating is and always should be a pox that needs to be eradicated. But let's not turn a blind eye to what's happening here locally. Parents in the 1% spend an extraordinary amount of money and resources on college-prep companies, many of which tell the kids exactly what extracurriculars to take, what to do after school, and virtually write the entire outline of their admissions essays. It's little wonder that school…

Wait, what? You don't see the difference between "here's what you should study to pass the test" vs "here is the answer for that specific question"?

Re: An industry that helps Chinese cheat their way into and through US colleges

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post #12

Australia is also a popular destination for Chinese students and sees high rates of cheating for many of the same reasons as those given in the article. Poor language skills allowed by lax student visa requirements, isolation, and the high penalties for failing a course when your family is paying full price creates desperation. 4 corners did a pretty good story on it and the smh investigation into MyMaster was also p…

kiwi land as well http://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-daily-news/news/8662806/Chin...

Re: An industry that helps Chinese cheat their way into and through US colleges

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post #13

I know its naive but I find it really hard to understand why people value the piece of paper more than the knowledge. The good news is that you can't cheat as a software developer. Or maybe you can? Depressing thought.

It's usually their rich parents who value piece of paper, not students themselves as much.

Re: An industry that helps Chinese cheat their way into and through US colleges

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post #13

I know its naive but I find it really hard to understand why people value the piece of paper more than the knowledge. The good news is that you can't cheat as a software developer. Or maybe you can? Depressing thought.

I share your sentiment. My sibling did Dartmouth for undergrad, Harvard and MIT for graduate school. I bootstrapped and sold a handful of companies after dropping out of college.

People need information to judge and trust others by. Information about ones capabilities should be verifiable by your accomplishments. At the start of a career though you have no accomplishments.

Companies, especially larger more established companies with higher head counts, are often risk averse in their hiring so hey use prestigious degree programs to filter out other potential candidates.

Re: An industry that helps Chinese cheat their way into and through US colleges

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I am sure they could stop it but the money the students bring is too valuable.

I have no relevant experience in academic finance, but I sincerely doubt it. The brand and reputation of the universities are what allows them to charge so much for tuition and get prestigious faculty (i.e. grant money). Besides, at a large research University, tuition is usually not the majority of their income ( http://www.uiowa.edu/homepage/about-university/budget )

I'd heard that seats at Harvard was going for $20 million per piece for internal students who wouldn't remotely qualify otherwise. There are always few seats like these reserved at most universities. If you do the math, that one guy basically covers the cost of his entire class.
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