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Re: Apple Not Able to Open Stores in India Without Selling 30% Locally Sourced Goods

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Post by eru »

geodel wrote: post #56

Irrespective of Apple being able open stores, one has to remember India is really tiny market for Apple widgets. There is no comparison to China in term of market size. Apple shipped around 1.7 million phone in India in 2015. This may look lot but going ahead I think they are going sell quite less than that as there is no 2 year upgrade cycle.

They will sell less upgrades, but there's oodles of Indians still without the status symbol that a nice iPhone is. (They just aren't rich enough yet to afford one.)

Re: Apple Not Able to Open Stores in India Without Selling 30% Locally Sourced Goods

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Post by arey_abhishek »

argonaut wrote: post #34
arey_abhishek wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll add that America is the most protectionist country according to Credit Suisse: http://www.businessinsider.in/The-country-that-imposes-the-m... (Couldn't find link to original report) Worked out well for America. Protectionist laws are a legitimate tool for social and economic progress.

Your links cites a report that itself gets its numbers from the "Global Trade Alert," which is an org that aggregates a variety of trade-related actions published by the governments of each country. Only a fraction of these are actually related to governments being protectionist. A huge number of these "actions" appear to be petitions by companies inside a country for trade investigations against other companies or n…

Argonaut, are you suggesting that the chart shows transparency of nations?? That's inferring a lot from one chart :) I don't think America is the most transparent country in the world.

Credit Suisse did the research and reported the chart+numbers.

From Global Trade Alert's website: 'Global Trade Alert provides real-time information on state measures taken during the current global downturn that are likely to affect foreign commerce.' It is not a list of petitions by companies.

Here's the original report from CS: https://doc.research-and-analytics.csfb.com/docView?document... appears on page 20)

And Trump is all about protectionism. If America wasn't the most protectionist country before, it certainly will be very soon.

Re: Apple Not Able to Open Stores in India Without Selling 30% Locally Sourced Goods

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Post by inopinatus »

geodel wrote: post #56

Irrespective of Apple being able open stores, one has to remember India is really tiny market for Apple widgets. There is no comparison to China in term of market size. Apple shipped around 1.7 million phone in India in 2015. This may look lot but going ahead I think they are going sell quite less than that as there is no 2 year upgrade cycle.

Even a tiny sliver of 1.3 billion people may be worth pursuing once other markets are saturated. There may be no comparison in terms of sales volume sales, but some might call that a growth opportunity, not a tiny market. Also note that these are new rules being tested, so what goes for Apple might also go for Amazon et al.

Re: Apple Not Able to Open Stores in India Without Selling 30% Locally Sourced Goods

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Post by RealGeek »

walrus01 wrote: post #74
wrong_variable wrote: post #13

Before people get out their pitchforks. These laws in India are a direct result of 200 years of British 'free' trade. Imagine the amount of damage something like NAFTA has done to the american working class - multiply that with 200 years. While america was in its infancy - before it industrialized - it too used protectionism as a way to allow its local industries to grow, how is it bad if India is trying to do the sa…

India's extremely complicated bureaucratic nightmare of inter-state borders and customs/tariffs is the fault of the British? http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/31/india-economic-... Imagine if you had cargo truck borders and customs paperwork between every one of the US 50 states and what a nightmare it would be for trucking/logistics/distribution/warehousing/cold chain/etc. Indian states have a significant de…

My personal car was stopped by octroi officers near a state border in India. They searched my car, and then said that I should have paid octroi tax on the personal computer I was carrying in the car.

I told them that all taxes were paid including VAT and Octroi for the computer when I bought it 5 years ago.

The said it doesn't matter, I must stop at the Octroi office and pay taxes again every time I am crossing a state border for everything I am carrying in my vehicle.

He said my only option is to pay them bribe, or they will impound my vehicle indefinitely.

Re: Apple Not Able to Open Stores in India Without Selling 30% Locally Sourced Goods

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Post by gkanai »

This does not make sense based on my own experience of launching phones in India with Intex, Spice and a few other Indian manufacturers. 'Indian' smartphones are all made in Shenzhen. There is no smartphone manufacturing in India. So how can Intex and Spice sell their phones in India if their phones are made in China like the iPhone is?

Re: Apple Not Able to Open Stores in India Without Selling 30% Locally Sourced Goods

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Post by walrus01 »

RealGeek wrote: post #84
walrus01 wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

India's extremely complicated bureaucratic nightmare of inter-state borders and customs/tariffs is the fault of the British? http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/31/india-economic-... Imagine if you had cargo truck borders and customs paperwork between every one of the US 50 states and what a nightmare it would be for trucking/logistics/distribution/warehousing/cold chain/etc. Indian states have a significant de…

My personal car was stopped by octroi officers near a state border in India. They searched my car, and then said that I should have paid octroi tax on the personal computer I was carrying in the car. I told them that all taxes were paid including VAT and Octroi for the computer when I bought it 5 years ago. The said it doesn't matter, I must stop at the Octroi office and pay taxes again every time I am crossing a sta…

Out of curiosity are you ethnically from somewhere in India / South Asia, or a foreigner?

Re: Apple Not Able to Open Stores in India Without Selling 30% Locally Sourced Goods

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Post by eru »

wrong_variable wrote: post #13

Before people get out their pitchforks. These laws in India are a direct result of 200 years of British 'free' trade. Imagine the amount of damage something like NAFTA has done to the american working class - multiply that with 200 years. While america was in its infancy - before it industrialized - it too used protectionism as a way to allow its local industries to grow, how is it bad if India is trying to do the sa…

> Indian markets, products and the economy in general is really bad and unsophisticated. There is no way they can compete with american, European and Chinese companies.

Lots of previously poor countries have industrialized via exports.

One can argue they used protectionism at home---misguided as it is. But nevertheless their companies managed to sell to fickle foreigners in the foreigners' home markets---all sophistication issues aside.

Re: Apple Not Able to Open Stores in India Without Selling 30% Locally Sourced Goods

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Post by RealGeek »

gkanai wrote: post #85

This does not make sense based on my own experience of launching phones in India with Intex, Spice and a few other Indian manufacturers. 'Indian' smartphones are all made in Shenzhen. There is no smartphone manufacturing in India. So how can Intex and Spice sell their phones in India if their phones are made in China like the iPhone is?

Vendors like Spice and Intex are Indian companies. Companies can sell imported products in India, they just have to pay import duty on it.

India have FDI restrictions in retail sector to prevent big box retailers like Walmart from destroying local retailers.

Most of the popular brands including Apple already sell in India, but they have to partner with a Indian retailer to do so.

Re: Apple Not Able to Open Stores in India Without Selling 30% Locally Sourced Goods

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Post by RealGeek »

walrus01 wrote: post #86
RealGeek wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My personal car was stopped by octroi officers near a state border in India. They searched my car, and then said that I should have paid octroi tax on the personal computer I was carrying in the car. I told them that all taxes were paid including VAT and Octroi for the computer when I bought it 5 years ago. The said it doesn't matter, I must stop at the Octroi office and pay taxes again every time I am crossing a sta…

Out of curiosity are you ethnically from somewhere in India / South Asia, or a foreigner?

I am Indian.

Re: Apple Not Able to Open Stores in India Without Selling 30% Locally Sourced Goods

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Post by wrong_variable »

RealGeek wrote: post #84
walrus01 wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

India's extremely complicated bureaucratic nightmare of inter-state borders and customs/tariffs is the fault of the British? http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/31/india-economic-... Imagine if you had cargo truck borders and customs paperwork between every one of the US 50 states and what a nightmare it would be for trucking/logistics/distribution/warehousing/cold chain/etc. Indian states have a significant de…

My personal car was stopped by octroi officers near a state border in India. They searched my car, and then said that I should have paid octroi tax on the personal computer I was carrying in the car. I told them that all taxes were paid including VAT and Octroi for the computer when I bought it 5 years ago. The said it doesn't matter, I must stop at the Octroi office and pay taxes again every time I am crossing a sta…

Yes, this is fairly common in all of South Asia.

The way to get around this is to look poor and be brown/black. Whenever I go back:

1) I buy a local school bag back ( put my expensive laptop and phone in it )

2) wear wife beater that is slight dirty.

3) do not shave.

4) speak only in Hindi.

5) wear only chapal ( bathroom style )

7) let your hair grow and do not comb.

Once you look poor enuf - no one will disturb you.

Since my job is programming - I really do not need to look presentable since people know who I am. But I do feel sorry for anyone who needs to wear a suit.

Unfortunately the only way you be be rich in public is if you have a bunch of body guards.

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