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Microsoft is cutting 1,000 jobs in Finland as it stops phone production

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Re: Microsoft is cutting 1,000 jobs in Finland as it stops phone production

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Post by krapp »

rue wrote: post #137
jtrtoo wrote: post #131

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How is two individuals doing what makes sense for themselves not a free market? Free market doesn't mean altruistic

Freedom requires transparency. That’s what free means. Not “companies free to do whatever they please”.

>That’s what free means. Not “companies free to do whatever they please”.

The fact that you used the word "free" here to tell us what "freedom" doesn't mean implies otherwise, because I believe "free to do whatever they please" is exactly what it does mean. There are no "requirements" in a free market other than serving demand and making a profit.

Re: Microsoft is cutting 1,000 jobs in Finland as it stops phone production

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Post by sangnoir »

ptaipale wrote: post #120
nickik wrote: post #96

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I remember wanting to buy it. I didn't because back then it was to much money for me. I remember thinking that I defently want a future version of it. For some reason that I don't understand, they continued to push Symbian, and those phones were not good. I remember thinking, either push further on the MeeGo stuff or drop it and move to Android. They did neither and suffered for it.

Symbian devices were actually very good phones . For making and receiving voice calls, they were better than Android has ever been. Of course, as a platform for Web browsing, and particularly for app development, Symbian was not good. But I still miss the phone functionality of my E71, or the Symbian devices I had before it.

> Of course, as a platform for Web browsing, and particularly for app development, Symbian was not good.

So in other words - they were great phones, but terrible smartphones? I fully agree.

Re: Microsoft is cutting 1,000 jobs in Finland as it stops phone production

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Post by x0x0 »

xiaoma wrote: post #134
x0x0 wrote: post #119

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Almost certainly not. Have you seen the profit numbers at Samsung, Motorola, and HTC? They're getting destroyed by Android competitors like Xiaomi, Huawei, etc and Apple.

Xiaomi and Huawei aren't Android competitors. They run Android on their phones!

I meant android producing competitors, as contrasted to apple. Which I think was pretty obvious in context.

Re: Microsoft is cutting 1,000 jobs in Finland as it stops phone production

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Post by x0x0 »

twblalock wrote: post #121
x0x0 wrote: post #119

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Almost certainly not. Have you seen the profit numbers at Samsung, Motorola, and HTC? They're getting destroyed by Android competitors like Xiaomi, Huawei, etc and Apple.

What makes you think Nokia would have ended up like Samsung/Motorola/HTC rather than Xiaomi/Huawei/etc? Nokia at least had a chance to be one of the profitable ones.

Because every android manufacturer will end with virtually no profit since they are producing a commodity. When you basically can't differentiate with your software except for which shitty skin you layered on top of Android, what makes a samsung better than an lg or any other android device?

Re: Microsoft is cutting 1,000 jobs in Finland as it stops phone production

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Post by jacquesm »

dijit wrote: post #42

I was around when the takeover of Nokia R&D happened in Febuary 2011, I remember walking around the offices of Ruohulati in Helsinki and seeing a massive queue to the IT room, previously linux laptops were being reformatted to run windows. I asked one of the project managers: "why, will it really change that much for us, I mean, there's hope right?" they responded: "This is a takeover, I've seen it before, they're ju…

It's a real pity. I saw the writing on the wall and wrote this:

http://jacquesmattheij.com/microsoft-just-bought-nokia-for-0

And I very much wished I was wrong. They'll have to pry my impossible to destroy Nokia from my hands when I'm dead. Thanks!

Re: Microsoft is cutting 1,000 jobs in Finland as it stops phone production

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Post by dijit »

drzaiusapelord wrote: post #122
dijit wrote: post #42

I was around when the takeover of Nokia R&D happened in Febuary 2011, I remember walking around the offices of Ruohulati in Helsinki and seeing a massive queue to the IT room, previously linux laptops were being reformatted to run windows. I asked one of the project managers: "why, will it really change that much for us, I mean, there's hope right?" they responded: "This is a takeover, I've seen it before, they're ju…

The flipside here is that Nokia was doomed anyway. Meego wasn't going to break the iOS/Android duopoly. Nokia was being destroyed by the success of the iPhone. It couldn't compete. >Microsoft really loves to own and eventually destroy Nordic companies. (skype, minecraft, nokia) Minecraft went from being neglected to even mismanaged to something that's alive again. Skype was originally Estonian, nor Nordic, and runs b…

Written by Swedish people who registered the company in Estonia. (for tax reasons)

I think Sweden counts as Nordic.

Re: Microsoft is cutting 1,000 jobs in Finland as it stops phone production

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Post by twblalock »

x0x0 wrote: post #144
twblalock wrote: post #121

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What makes you think Nokia would have ended up like Samsung/Motorola/HTC rather than Xiaomi/Huawei/etc? Nokia at least had a chance to be one of the profitable ones.

Because every android manufacturer will end with virtually no profit since they are producing a commodity. When you basically can't differentiate with your software except for which shitty skin you layered on top of Android, what makes a samsung better than an lg or any other android device?

Hardware is the differentiator.

Re: Microsoft is cutting 1,000 jobs in Finland as it stops phone production

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Post by sytelus »

godzillabrennus wrote: post #126
twblalock wrote: post #121

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What makes you think Nokia would have ended up like Samsung/Motorola/HTC rather than Xiaomi/Huawei/etc? Nokia at least had a chance to be one of the profitable ones.

There are no profitable android makers. Apple has 94% of the profits in mobile: http://iphone.appleinsider.com/articles/15/11/16/apple-inc-n... We will never know for sure by Nokia shareholders might have gotten an amazing deal out of going Windows Mobile and getting acquired by Microsoft. As for the employees, this would have happened either way with how badly the company was prepared for smartphones.

Recent Samsung financial results say that their profit growth is fueled in part by Galaxy S7. So, no, there are fairly profitable android makers.

http://www.theverge.com/2016/4/27/11523616/samsung-earnings-...

Re: Microsoft is cutting 1,000 jobs in Finland as it stops phone production

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Post by xufi »

pjmlp wrote: post #80
user11768536 wrote: post #77

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>And as a developer I cannot really get why WP 10 is still so buggy (according to the reports) versus the already stable 8.1. Microsoft eliminated QA as a job role and laid off all of its QA staff in 2014, with rather predictable consequences for both Windows 10 and WP 10. Plenty of articles about it if you Google around. If anything, it's surprising that things have turned out as well for them as they have.

I completely forgot about it, yeah it might be a reason.

I only recognize it from its tile like interface... but yeah I think the ship has sailed for them a while ago about recognition

Re: Microsoft is cutting 1,000 jobs in Finland as it stops phone production

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Post by bitmapbrother »

x0x0 wrote: post #119
twblalock wrote: post #115

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If Elop had bet on Android instead of Windows Phone, Nokia would probably be doing well.

Almost certainly not. Have you seen the profit numbers at Samsung, Motorola, and HTC? They're getting destroyed by Android competitors like Xiaomi, Huawei, etc and Apple.

I'm always amused by these Windows phone supporters that will argue until their red in the face that Nokia would have still suffered the same fate had they went Android. They have nothing to back their empty claims other than hate. The truth is that they would have fared way better had they selected Android instead of dollar cost averaging the windows phone fiasco all the way to the bottom. Nokia was destroyed by Microsoft. The only saving grace is the 8 Billion dollar severance package they got by unloading the carcass to Microsoft.
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