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Microsoft is cutting 1,000 jobs in Finland as it stops phone production

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Re: Microsoft is cutting 1,000 jobs in Finland as it stops phone production

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Post by GrumpyYoungMan »

arielweisberg wrote: post #52
stevehiehn wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems clear to me. They executed on a strategy and consumers weren't interested.

My wife really likes Windows Phone and wanted a Lumia 1020 for the camera. I offered her my 6+ and she refused. Trying to upgrade her to a new model is basically impossible. At the time we bought it if you went to any carrier store the Windows phones were clearly second class citizens with the best models not present. Carriers like T-Mobile wouldn't even sell you a decent model because they don't carry them at all an…

The wireless carriers have the final say on which phones they stock and promote, not the manufacturer. There most likely weren't enough sales of Windows Phone devices to make it worthwhile for them to bother trying.

Re: Microsoft is cutting 1,000 jobs in Finland as it stops phone production

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Post by smitherfield »

facepalm wrote: post #54
dijit wrote: post #42

I was around when the takeover of Nokia R&D happened in Febuary 2011, I remember walking around the offices of Ruohulati in Helsinki and seeing a massive queue to the IT room, previously linux laptops were being reformatted to run windows. I asked one of the project managers: "why, will it really change that much for us, I mean, there's hope right?" they responded: "This is a takeover, I've seen it before, they're ju…

What would have happened to Nokia phones if MS hadn't taken over? They pretty much dug their own hole.

Yes, far from "destroying" Nokia, MS threw good money after bad to the tune of $billions trying to keep them afloat. Now they've given up on that fruitless endeavor.

Re: Microsoft is cutting 1,000 jobs in Finland as it stops phone production

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Post by hellothere789 »

dijit wrote: post #42

I was around when the takeover of Nokia R&D happened in Febuary 2011, I remember walking around the offices of Ruohulati in Helsinki and seeing a massive queue to the IT room, previously linux laptops were being reformatted to run windows. I asked one of the project managers: "why, will it really change that much for us, I mean, there's hope right?" they responded: "This is a takeover, I've seen it before, they're ju…

I was also in Ruoholahti as well as Nokia House when they closed down Ruoholahti.

Overnight Nokia turned into a cesspool of backstabbers who didn't add any real value, but managed to steal the credit from everyone else.

Re: Microsoft is cutting 1,000 jobs in Finland as it stops phone production

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Post by hellothere789 »

pjmlp wrote: post #48
dijit wrote: post #42

I was around when the takeover of Nokia R&D happened in Febuary 2011, I remember walking around the offices of Ruohulati in Helsinki and seeing a massive queue to the IT room, previously linux laptops were being reformatted to run windows. I asked one of the project managers: "why, will it really change that much for us, I mean, there's hope right?" they responded: "This is a takeover, I've seen it before, they're ju…

I too was there during those days, in Espoo. But to be honest we also had our share of alienating developers, it wasn't only MS fault. First the Symbian development was a mess with the Metrowerk tools and that Symbian C++ dialect, then came PIPS, followed by Carbide (Eclipse based). Followed by the whole mess of open sourcing Symbian and closing it again. Or the Symbian model moving from Symbian C++ / PIPS to Qt, als…

this yor folt

Re: Microsoft is cutting 1,000 jobs in Finland as it stops phone production

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Post by microtonal »

pjc50 wrote: post #61
dijit wrote: post #42

I was around when the takeover of Nokia R&D happened in Febuary 2011, I remember walking around the offices of Ruohulati in Helsinki and seeing a massive queue to the IT room, previously linux laptops were being reformatted to run windows. I asked one of the project managers: "why, will it really change that much for us, I mean, there's hope right?" they responded: "This is a takeover, I've seen it before, they're ju…

Minecraft is very much not destroyed. Nokia .. well, the burning platform was while they were still an independent company. Like Blackberry they failed to adapt to smartphones, and failed to understand their own niche.

Nokia .. well, the burning platform was while they were still an independent company.

They were an independent company under control of a trusted general of Steve Ballmer. Nokia had a lot of goodwill in some regions, e.g. in Europe they were known for their excellent reliable and serviceable hardware. At the time the fear was that a switch to Android would reduce their margins, but I guess they'd still be around and pretty successful if they had switched to Android timely.

Re: Microsoft is cutting 1,000 jobs in Finland as it stops phone production

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Post by criddell »

rmac wrote: post #68
criddell wrote: post #58

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Why do you think Microsoft continues to develop Windows Phone?

It took 4 iterations for me to buy a Surface.

Microsoft has been in the smartphone business longer than just about anybody. If they haven't been able to get it right in 15 years, how much longer do you think it will take?

Re: Microsoft is cutting 1,000 jobs in Finland as it stops phone production

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Post by user11768536 »

pjmlp wrote: post #60
criddell wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you think Microsoft continues to develop Windows Phone?

Maybe they don't want to loose their face? You should follow this tweeter discussion from Sinofsky https://twitter.com/stevesi/status/733699065763004416 It wasn't the difference between desktop and mobile stacks that pushed most away, rather the breaking changes between WP 7, WP 8, WP 8.1 and WP 10. As explained recently on the Ars Technica article, http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/05/onecor... And…

>And as a developer I cannot really get why WP 10 is still so buggy (according to the reports) versus the already stable 8.1.

Microsoft eliminated QA as a job role and laid off all of its QA staff in 2014, with rather predictable consequences for both Windows 10 and WP 10. Plenty of articles about it if you Google around.

If anything, it's surprising that things have turned out as well for them as they have.

Re: Microsoft is cutting 1,000 jobs in Finland as it stops phone production

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Post by hellothere789 »

rasjani wrote: post #63
dijit wrote: post #42

I was around when the takeover of Nokia R&D happened in Febuary 2011, I remember walking around the offices of Ruohulati in Helsinki and seeing a massive queue to the IT room, previously linux laptops were being reformatted to run windows. I asked one of the project managers: "why, will it really change that much for us, I mean, there's hope right?" they responded: "This is a takeover, I've seen it before, they're ju…

I was also in Ruoholahti at the time and while those where dreadful times, it wasn't as bad (Atleast for me) as you picture it. Yeah, MeeGo (well, it was Harmattan, there was nothing MeeGo except binary compatibility and using the name to please Intel). Formatting Linux laptops was more of a joke imho. And guys who started Jolla where really not high execs in the program - really good tech guys but not execs :) But y…

Remember when they kicked out Ari Jaaksi (for one, I thought he was a GREAT leader).

Then they brought in the son of the former Finnish president (Ahtisaari) and the guy stood in front of the entire program telling us how awesome he was and he was going to reshape the way people use mobile phones.

Good times.

Re: Microsoft is cutting 1,000 jobs in Finland as it stops phone production

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Post by pjmlp »

user11768536 wrote: post #77
pjmlp wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe they don't want to loose their face? You should follow this tweeter discussion from Sinofsky https://twitter.com/stevesi/status/733699065763004416 It wasn't the difference between desktop and mobile stacks that pushed most away, rather the breaking changes between WP 7, WP 8, WP 8.1 and WP 10. As explained recently on the Ars Technica article, http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/05/onecor... And…

>And as a developer I cannot really get why WP 10 is still so buggy (according to the reports) versus the already stable 8.1. Microsoft eliminated QA as a job role and laid off all of its QA staff in 2014, with rather predictable consequences for both Windows 10 and WP 10. Plenty of articles about it if you Google around. If anything, it's surprising that things have turned out as well for them as they have.

I completely forgot about it, yeah it might be a reason.
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