Tea Party conservatives are not necessarily neo-cons.
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#152Earlier quoted context omitted.
One point of correction is that neocons are in both major US political parties and are know chiefly by their [chicken-]hawk-ish foreign policy.
There are few, if any, neoconservatives in the Democratic Party (there are hawkish neoliberal internationalists in both parties, though, and the distinctions between those and neoconservatives are fairly fine.)
Hillary is a neocon.
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Your reasoning is not accurate. When you allow honest citizens to defend themselves, crime rates drop. "Statistics show that in these states the crime rate fell (or did not rise) after the right-to-carry law became active (as of July, 2006)." http://www.gunfacts.info/gun-control-myths/concealed-carry/
Listen to what you're saying here. Crime rates drop because people are scared that they might get shot. That's literally the implication of that statement. You're saying that the best response to crime is for people to shoot each other. Not better policing or a better criminal justice system, but random gun battles. Is it any wonder that the murder rate so much higher in the USA than in other similarly-developed coun…
You're assuming that all honest people want to naturally kill other people when they're mad at them. If that were the case, crime rates would be astronomically high regardless if guns existed or not. If person A gets mad at person B and desires to kill them, they'll find a way to kill them. If they don't have a gun, then they'll use a knife, or a bat. Hell, they'll use their bare hands if they have to.
Honest people don't kill other people unless they feel their own lives are threatened. Criminals by definition do not follow the law, so by outlawing guns, only outlaws will have guns. What you effectively do is remove the gun from the honest person desiring to protect themselves, and arm the criminal with bad intent. The honest person is left defenseless.
Case in point: "Shooting incidents in London have almost doubled compared with the same period last year, prompting grave concerns that gun crime in some areas is out of control." [0]
Aren't guns illegal in England? How are people then getting shot, by guns, in a city where guns are illegal? Again, because criminals by definition don't follow the law and will find a way to get a gun regardless.
[0]: http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/nov/03/london-gun-crime-s...
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Keep the sheeple thinking that something is being done while providing low wage jobs for what is being promoted as critical safety personnel? Orwell would just look at this, shrug and say "I was trying to say..."
You've lost when you start saying words like "sheeple" and "Orwell" in these conversations, you realize that right?
It's usually the person who says "You've lost" and mistakenly references Godwin who has lost (all hope).
If you're more concerned with the form of the response than the content...
> How is calling me "sheeplish" helpful for this conversation?
You're the one calling yourself sheeple so you can act hurt. The parent used it as a broad descriptor of anyone who just believes what they're told.
It wasn't directed at you so how is you falling on your victim card helping the conversation?
> The goal of the TSA is to create security theater,
I doubt you'd get any agreement with that. From them, the politicians, the taxpayers, or real security experts.
> and that goal is effective at preventing terrorists from even attempting to attack airports. It's difficult to prove this, of course [...]
There's literally no reason to suspect that it works. Theater fails in all contexts because only one person needs to realize it's fake and point that out.
> while most folks consider security theater useless, they're wrong. It has value.
Negative value. It reduces vigilance where it's truly needed.
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#155Congress cut the TSA budget 15% at the same time there is a 15% increase in traffic. Sure, blame 'that guy'.
source? http://www.klobuchar.senate.gov/public/2016/3/relief-at-msp-... says that they got more money than they requested this year
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#156Earlier quoted context omitted.
You've lost when you start saying words like "sheeple" and "Orwell" in these conversations, you realize that right?
It's usually the person who says "You've lost" and mistakenly references Godwin who has lost (all hope). If you're more concerned with the form of the response than the content... > How is calling me "sheeplish" helpful for this conversation? You're the one calling yourself sheeple so you can act hurt. The parent used it as a broad descriptor of anyone who just believes what they're told. It wasn't directed at you so…
I don't think breaking up my comment into little contextless chunks is doing this conversation any favors.
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#157Earlier quoted context omitted.
Wasn't the Tea Party movement started because of their disgust with neo-cons?
The original tea party was a Ron Paul (2007 pre Obama) movement. Unfortunalty it was co-opted by the Fox News tea party.
I think you thinking of his R-EVOL-ution (backwards LOVE) campaign, which is definitely unrelated to the Tea Party.
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#158Earlier quoted context omitted.
I had to re-read that twice before I got the meaning... I was thinking "hang on, so everyone carries guns but knife murders are up? what?" but what I think you're saying is that law-abiding people don't shoot people. Well, duh... There's this really straightforward clear correlation between number of guns and amount of gun violence. Everyone else in the world gets this. Americans don't for some reason. I'm always cur…
> what I think you're saying is that law-abiding people don't shoot people. Well, duh... No, OP complains that in the U.S. 'everyone' can carry firearms legally (not actually true: felons, wife-beaters, citizens of New Jersey & similar folks are prohibited from carrying firearms) and thus we have a high murder rate. I pointed out that the issue is not the legal right, since the folks committing the murders are not, f…
because I'm happy to give up my freedom to carry a gun in return for the knowledge that other people are similarly unarmed and therefore unable to shoot me.
It's what we do in a polite society; restrict our freedoms to respect the rights of others. I don't play music loudly on public transport for the same reason.
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#159~850 million US-based passenger * flights per year
~15 minutes in TSA waiting per passenger per flight
~80 years in a life
850,000,000 passengers per year * 15 minutes = 12,750,000,000 minutes of passenger time per year ≈ 24,241 years of passenger time per year
24,241 years of passenger time per year / 80 years per life ≈ 303 passenger lives per year.
The TSA effectively kills ~300 people per year just by wasting our time.
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#160Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, it was started because a Black Guy got into the White House. Don't fool yourself, the Tea Party is simply a racist reaction to non-White person being in the White House. Budget wise, Bush was much worse than Obama and there was no Tea Party telling him not to invade Iraq and blow 2 trillion dollars on pointless wars. The Tea Party only came about when Obama took office.
This is absolutely false. The Tea Party coalesced after the bank bailouts.
Really?
http://www.britannica.com/topic/Tea-Party-movement
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement
There might have been some reactions to the Bush Bailouts, but what is the Tea Party does not come into being until Obama is sworn in.
Don't fool yourself, if Obama was White, there would be no Tea Party.