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Wha? Taking someone else's property and walking off with it, is pretty intentional. No way that was an accident, or done without knowing what they were doing.
Maybe, but that's not what I said. I said taking something unintentionally is not theft, because theft requires intent. I didn't say anything about the specific situation.
Perhaps I should say 'Intentional or not, it should be treated as theft'
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> what if a terrorist would just detonate a bomb before the security lines I gather the idea is that, while a bomb in the security cattle chute might kill hundreds, it's still preferable to a hijacked aircraft which can be used to kill thousands. Of course the dichotomy is false for all manner of reasons. But that seems to be the underlying concept.
> it's still preferable to a hijacked aircraft which can be used to kill thousands Not anymore. That ship sailed with 9/11. Passengers aren't going to sit quietly and wait for SWAT to negotiate/rescue at an airport these days.
The author had an agreement that the TSA would borrow his laptop for a few minutes and then return it in identical condition. The TSA failed to live up to their duties. Regardless of what happened to the laptop while in their care, the straightforward way to make this right is for TSA to reimburse this person for a new laptop. This is not a new concept - it's called civil liability.
If the TSA would like, they can try to reform their operating procedures so this happens less. But that doesn't change the fact that they're still responsible for this instance. We don't let a thief keep his bounty by promising to not steal in the future.
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Really? I have seen it everywhere I have been - Bangalore, Chennai, Delhi, Hyderabad, Mumbai, Coimbatore, Kolkatta.
I must say while doing transit in Delhi I did not see such a system as well.
As someone who flies in and out of Delhi all the time, I can assure you that the security check involves such 'tags'. also procedures for security are standardized across all airports, so it is very unlikely that the process is skipped consistently. I encounter this in the tiniest airports in the country (Trivandrum, Leh) .
Interestingly enough, you can carry your Kindle, phone and/or Ipad in your carry on luggage, but not your laptop. Which doesn't make too much sense, but just the kind of loophole bureaucrats designing security systems come up with.
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> it's still preferable to a hijacked aircraft which can be used to kill thousands Not anymore. That ship sailed with 9/11. Passengers aren't going to sit quietly and wait for SWAT to negotiate/rescue at an airport these days.
On 9/11 4 aircraft were hijacked, only 1 had passengers resist. For the sake of argument if we take this as a representative sample, there's only a 25% resist rate: very pretty thin evidence to argue that a fundamental behavior shift has taken place.
Few had much inkling 9/11 was a terror attack until the second flight hit WTC at 9:03 am, so it's really one of two. The Pentagon flight hit at 9:37 am and passengers weren't aware of the WTC attacks until Barbara Olson's call between 9:16 and 9:26. ~10 minutes isn't much time to process, plan, and react.
Post-9/11, attackers in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_failed_shoe_bomb_attempt and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwest_Airlines_Flight_253 were both subdued rapidly by passengers, as have a variety of disruptive/suspicious non-terror incidents.
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In Switzerland's airports they give you a receipt where you can collect it for $10 when you get back. They once confiscated a bike tool of mine. Why they only picked the adjustable wrench out of total 3 potential weapons is beyond me, though.
You could have then gone to the duty free shop and purchased two glass bottles of vodka. Smashed together they would likely make much better weapons.
How this works in India. When you put your laptop in a bin, the security person puts one of two identical tags (pieces of plastic with identical numbers on them) into the bin, on top of your computer and gives you the other one. When you finish your patdown/metal detector etc screening and want to take your computer back, you give the security person at the other end of the line your tag, she looks around for the bin…
Great idea--simple, inexpensive, highly effective when considered relative to its small cost. Therefore I never expect to see this in a US airport.
Just wait until TSA vendors out the development of it :)
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> what if a terrorist would just detonate a bomb before the security lines I gather the idea is that, while a bomb in the security cattle chute might kill hundreds, it's still preferable to a hijacked aircraft which can be used to kill thousands. Of course the dichotomy is false for all manner of reasons. But that seems to be the underlying concept.
> it's still preferable to a hijacked aircraft which can be used to kill thousands Not anymore. That ship sailed with 9/11. Passengers aren't going to sit quietly and wait for SWAT to negotiate/rescue at an airport these days.
After that we have a much more reliable track record. The "shoe bomber" was subdued with the assistance of passengers. The "underwear bomber" was subdued with the assistance of passengers.
imho, two things have have genuinely contributed to airbourne security since. One is reinforced cockpit doors. The other is that our collective understanding has changed - it used to be "keep quiet, sweat it out while they negotiate somewhere, and go home safe - just don't draw attention to yourself". Now the 'understanding' is that we fight back or we die.
(And no, the TSA don't really contribute to either of these)
How this works in India. When you put your laptop in a bin, the security person puts one of two identical tags (pieces of plastic with identical numbers on them) into the bin, on top of your computer and gives you the other one. When you finish your patdown/metal detector etc screening and want to take your computer back, you give the security person at the other end of the line your tag, she looks around for the bin…