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Re: Pastejacking

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Post by beachstartup »

majewsky wrote: post #182
arviewer wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Firefox use CTRL-SHIFT-I or use Firebug to inspect the code on the page after it's generated. I guess many times it's a transparent div covering the text, not javascript tricks like this, but I might be wrong. You can remove the div using Firebug. Selecting the text in Firebug will work, but may be a lot more work. How about printing to PDF, then selecting the text there?

remembers the times when computers were supposed to make things easier for us

"supposed" to, but never really did.

Re: Pastejacking

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Post by jrmiii »

If you use a clipboard manager (I use the one built into LaunchBar) you can preview the contents of the clipboard without having to paste into a text editor. It takes seconds and is a good habit to develop.

Re: Pastejacking

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Post by makecheck »

Since operating systems can “quarantine” downloaded files, it seems perfectly reasonable to also quarantine data that can be arbitrarily modified by remote APIs. This is doubly true when there are all kinds of ways for web sites to trick the user into visiting domains they don’t really know that they “requested”.

On the Mac, applications downloaded from the Internet are quarantined; they stay that way until you accept a warning message displayed at first launch (even if you wait days to launch it for the first time). The OS helpfully remembers where the file came from, e.g. “This was downloaded from www.notmalware.com on July 6, 2000.”.

If a web browser insists on allowing web-controlled Copy behavior, the resulting pasteboard should be given a big, black TAINTED mark that cannot be cleared without a very explicit action. If I go to another application and try to Paste, the other application should not be able to access the data without clearing the quarantine (e.g. OS provides standard dialog that shows the entire text and web site of origin, free of any white text-coloring or Unicode invisibility tricks).

Re: Pastejacking

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Post by softawre »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #218
tetromino_ wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That argument would lead you to the conclusion that if your peers are objectively better than you, then it's immoral for you to seek employment; you must improve yourself or choose a different industry. So do you think you are among the world's best in your area of expertise, or are you voluntarily unemployed? ;)

I do suffer from impostor syndrome sometimes :). That said, most of my peers who are objectively better than me are already employed, and it's up to employers to select from the available pool of employees. My responsibility is to truthfully present my skills during interview.

If it is on the employer to make a value judgement on your skills, then isn't it also up to the window shopper to make a value judgement on the merchandise?

Re: Pastejacking

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Post by paulryanrogers »

majewsky wrote: post #182
arviewer wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Firefox use CTRL-SHIFT-I or use Firebug to inspect the code on the page after it's generated. I guess many times it's a transparent div covering the text, not javascript tricks like this, but I might be wrong. You can remove the div using Firebug. Selecting the text in Firebug will work, but may be a lot more work. How about printing to PDF, then selecting the text there?

remembers the times when computers were supposed to make things easier for us

Easier to take (possibly steal) on your terms?

Re: Pastejacking

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Post by TeMPOraL »

softawre wrote: post #224
TeMPOraL wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do suffer from impostor syndrome sometimes :). That said, most of my peers who are objectively better than me are already employed, and it's up to employers to select from the available pool of employees. My responsibility is to truthfully present my skills during interview.

If it is on the employer to make a value judgement on your skills, then isn't it also up to the window shopper to make a value judgement on the merchandise?

Well, yes - but in my original comment I didn't say that if you get half a feature behind your competitor, you should trash your merchandise and go do something else. I complained about people willingly making and selling shit, covering the deficiencies up with marketing.

In hiring analogy, it would be as if I couldn't code at all, but could talk my way through the interviews - and so instead of actually learning to code, I'd earn money by getting employed at companies and trying to extract as many paychecks and benefits as I can and then quitting before they figure out I'm a fraud.

Me investing my time to get a job through pure charisma, without bringing any merit to the table, is like selling products on pure marketing. Pretty dishonest, and also poisons the ecosystem for everyone.

Re: Pastejacking

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Post by dawnerd »

protomikron wrote: post #192
TeMPOraL wrote: post #162

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> Who gives a shit? I do. That's probably why I won't be running an effective business any time soon. Being nice and not fucking people over doesn't get you far in highly competitive markets. I strongly second what 'nitrogen wrote[0]. This is very much about ethics. > Is it ethical for a shop to advertise its products in the shop windows when the people running the shop know that there are higher quality products ava…

I completely agree and hope that more and more other engineers just say NO to aggressive advertising bullshit. It is not like one has no choice.

That's partially why I left Demand.

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Post by jcoffland »

oarsinsync wrote: post #180
TeMPOraL wrote: post #164

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Very sad welcome because somehow working in advertisement industry is considered a respectable occupation in 2016. The cognitive dissonance of the society is sometimes mind-boggling.

See the glorification of the advertising industry in a popular TV show "Mad Men"

Which is a show about how cool it is to be an asshole and ruin your own and other people's lives by making extremely selfish decisions. This is also why I won't watch House of Cards.

Re: Pastejacking

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Post by superuser2 »

dionidium wrote: post #217
mrgoldenbrown wrote: post #213

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>Which is a perfectly rational question/argument. How is that rational at all? That question is referencing the common practice of blaming rape victims rather than the rapists, by questioning what the victim was wearing.

It is a perfectly rational question. You're layering a bunch of unnecessary stuff about blame on top of it. Rape is always the fault of the rapist. Full stop. Now, given that there probably always will be rapists in the world, can we be allowed to ask questions that help prevent rape?

No, because rapists are given cover and can more easily rationalize their behavior when society implies that rape is a natural or expected consequence of the failure to take precautions against it.

Re: Pastejacking

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Post by dionidium »

superuser2 wrote: post #229
dionidium wrote: post #217

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is a perfectly rational question. You're layering a bunch of unnecessary stuff about blame on top of it. Rape is always the fault of the rapist. Full stop. Now, given that there probably always will be rapists in the world, can we be allowed to ask questions that help prevent rape?

No, because rapists are given cover and can more easily rationalize their behavior when society implies that rape is a natural or expected consequence of the failure to take precautions against it.

Rape is a natural or expected consequence of the failure to take precautions against it.

It doesn't matter what society implies.

Note that I can say that while unequivocally condemning rape and providing zero cover to rapists. I am describing what is, not what I think ought to be.

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