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TSA gave my MacBook Pro to another passenger at LAX, and now it's gone

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Re: TSA gave my MacBook Pro to another passenger at LAX, and now it's gone

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You could remove the TSA and let airlines do their own security checks at the gate. Airlines really don't want their planes hi-jacked.

Surely that would just defer the problem? Plus, the airlines now have to buy all their own equipment, train their own staff. At the moment, they are 'outsourcing' their airport security to the TSA. I suppose they could each choose which security checks they are going to carry out, but how would they choose? Based on recommendations from something that looks like the TSA? It's not clear to me that the airlines would w…

> Surely that would just defer the problem? Plus, the airlines now have to buy all their own equipment, train their own staff. At the moment, they are 'outsourcing' their airport security to the TSA.

An obvious solution: outsource to not-the-TSA. Say, local security contractors at the airports they operate at, possibly pooling resources with other airlines if there's economies of scale to be had there. Or perhaps a security company employing former security personnel from Israel's airports? I hear they've done pretty well by focusing on the human element.

> I suppose they could each choose which security checks they are going to carry out, but how would they choose?

I'm sure private security companies have plenty of suggestions for things they can upsell you on. There's all kinds of profit motives that simply aren't there in the public sector. This allows some diversification as well: Those interested in flying 'safely' can be swayed by airline X's advertisements about their thorough security procedures, and those not interested in security theater can be swayed by airline Y's advertisements about their no-hassle boarding.

> Based on recommendations from something that looks like the TSA?

Goodness no. At a 5% effectiveness rate, I suspect you'd have better odds winging it.

> It's not clear to me that the airlines would want this responsibility, or would do a better job at it than the TSA.

I'm sure they don't want the responsibility. Responsibility sucks. This article can be read as the TSA avoiding any of that nasty stuff! But the more relevant question is if foisting responsibility for security upon airlines would be effective.

As for doing better than the TSA: That's a low bar, so why not try such a scheme? Best case scenario, it works, clearing the whole issue right up. Worst case scenario: Nothing of value was lost, and we can try something else.

Re: TSA gave my MacBook Pro to another passenger at LAX, and now it's gone

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post #15

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> Sometimes I almost wish someone smuggles a bomb through the TSA security line, and successfully storms a plane so we can finally have concrete evidence that those processes only provide annoyance, not security. That would just lead to the following reaction: "The TSA is not doing enough yet, we need to implement even more annoyances."

This is what happened with the shoe bomber.

I was on a trip during this instance. I flew out with my shoes on from curb to plane, but a few days later we're all taking off our shoes at every gate, door, security line, and hallway.

Re: TSA gave my MacBook Pro to another passenger at LAX, and now it's gone

#193
Things used to be a lot worse when people without tickets were allowed all the way through to the boarding gates. This, of course, was pre-9-11. Laptops would get stolen all the time by criminals just going through security, sometimes in pairs and one would slow down the line while the person in front would take a random laptop and gtfo.

In some senses, the security is better by disallowed non-passengers from going through security checkpoints. I feel bad for the owner, and I hope he/she gets back his/her laptop, but I doubt the TSA will just write a check unfortunately. They simply don't care.

Re: TSA gave my MacBook Pro to another passenger at LAX, and now it's gone

#194

Wow, I'm actually surprised that you would blame TSA or the woman instead of yourself (I'm even more surprised that no other comment mention this). It is you who did not care to ensure your laptop go back to you. There is some bias against TSA, but you cannot blame them for everything (disclaimer: never been to States, never had anything in common with TSA). Sure, it is a pity that you lost a computer; it is probably…

I agree, if you bring a very expensive laptop with you while traveling, you need to keep a very close eye on it. I bring my $150 chromebook with me while i'm traveling, and I always make sure I get it back when it comes through the x-ray machine... you left your computer behind, this is your fault.

Re: TSA gave my MacBook Pro to another passenger at LAX, and now it's gone

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Interestingly (to me) the author used the phrase "on accident". I googled it and found this: http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/215/is-it-correct... As a British English speaker, this stopped me in my tracks. I'm wondering if it had the same effect on the American English readers of this article.

It's associated with being uneducated and/or working class, at least in Canada. Saying "on accident" here would make you seem very blue-collar, or like a hick.

Re: TSA gave my MacBook Pro to another passenger at LAX, and now it's gone

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How this works in India. When you put your laptop in a bin, the security person puts one of two identical tags (pieces of plastic with identical numbers on them) into the bin, on top of your computer and gives you the other one. When you finish your patdown/metal detector etc screening and want to take your computer back, you give the security person at the other end of the line your tag, she looks around for the bin…

Yes I've found that the security procedures at Indian airports I've been to (BOM, BLR) have been quite efficient and feel more commonsense than what we typically deal with here in the US. I can't attest to their effectiveness though (as a lack of attacks doesn't necessarily mean they're working)

They could hardly be much less effective than US security procedures given that US security procedures catch a low single digit percentage of weapons being taken onto planes.

Re: TSA gave my MacBook Pro to another passenger at LAX, and now it's gone

#197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you think people aren't trying to attack planes, or that the TSA has zero effectiveness in stopping those people?

People are also attacking security check lines with very high effectivity-

"Very high" is stretching it a bit. There have been around 130 fatalities in terrorist attacks in airport terminals since 2000 - LA (2002), Madrid (2006), Pakistan (2014), Turkey (2014), Moscow (2015) and Belgium (2016).

Re: TSA gave my MacBook Pro to another passenger at LAX, and now it's gone

#199

My guess is that the person who took it was acting with an accomplice, possible the one who caused the distraction. They would make an exchange in a place where there are no cameras. The person who took it would have a story ready in case she was challenged. As for the TSA - they want to pretend that the incident never happened, because it would make them them look bad.

Seems a little unlikely that criminals are organising to buy plane tickets or obtain security clearances to steal things on security camera in a place crowded with security personnel when they could steal MacBooks just as easily by, say, wandering into a shared workspace.

Why buy a ticket when you can print a fake one?

https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2006/11/forge_your_ow...

Re: TSA gave my MacBook Pro to another passenger at LAX, and now it's gone

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post #129

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As a settler that travels ocassionaly I am often required to open or even turn on my laptop at the security check.

Where is this? I'ma frequent flyer, and have never once been sled to open my laptop nor have I ever seen anyone asked to do so (outside a short period after 9/11)

Europe, mostly flying to/from Slovenia.
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