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TSA gave my MacBook Pro to another passenger at LAX, and now it's gone

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Re: TSA gave my MacBook Pro to another passenger at LAX, and now it's gone

#51
Having recently flown from the UK to Hong Kong and then on to Manila, I am suddenly struck by how much of an honesty policy we are expected to follow. The idea of tagging the laptop as in India is a step in the right direction, but at no point in my journey was my laptop tagged. It was placed in a bin with all my other valuable possessions (phone, wallet, camera) and it's only through practise that I manage to get through the scanners at the same time as my possessions. At any point after I gave my laptop over to security, someone could have stepped up and claimed it as their own. Security provides exactly zero defense for this, and it's only through vigilence that I've never lost anything yet.

I do understand the need to scan the laptop separately to its bag, but this honesty policy just failed hard. It's a stupid system. The only workaround is to keep everything in sight until you're 100% ready to step through the scanner, and then watch the other side of the belt for all your stuff.

The fact that the TSA handed the laptop to someone other than its rightful owner lands them straight in the blame for this. At the risk of increasing the time required to clear security, a big fuss was made last year that all electronics must have charged batteries so that it can be demonstrated they work (not that this solves the key problem). If the TSA want to personally pick up someone's laptop, they should ask the owner to power it on and enter the password to prove it's theirs before they hand it back. Yes, this also incurs a privacy issue (intentionally defeating your own security system), but as repeatedly demonstrated, border controls have some quite far-reaching powers and can force this anyway.

Edit: also, shame on the security people and the police for dismissing the idea of a crime being committed. Intentional or not, this is theft. As others have commented, it's possible the two women were working together to steal a laptop, but even if it was an honest mistake, it should be investigated as if it were intentional. And the reluctance of the people involved to give case numbers, log it etc. just reeks of 'we lost your bag, thank you for flying Delta Airlines'. I sincerely hope this guy gets at least a check for a new laptop and an apology.

Re: TSA gave my MacBook Pro to another passenger at LAX, and now it's gone

#52
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In a way, it's not the TSA's fault, it's ours for tolerating this insanity. Sometimes I almost wish someone smuggles a bomb through the TSA security line, and successfully storms a plane so we can finally have concrete evidence that those processes only provide annoyance , not security . The most successful terrorist of all times was Richard Reid, the dude who tried to embark in a plane with explosive material in his…

What always amuses me is the thought of them actually finding a bomb, what would they do? I mean back in Moscow and the recent Brussels bombs were triggered in such long lines.

Re: TSA gave my MacBook Pro to another passenger at LAX, and now it's gone

#53
post #34

Whilst the TSA agents should be taking more care to ensure valuables are returned to the correct person, there are several agents working on a single line. The person who saw him place the computer into the x-ray would be different from the person handing items back so it's not all that surprising that didn't know who it belonged to and was just assuming people were being honest. Any frequent flyer will know return o…

If the government decides they need to take my stuff away from me to check it, they better make sure that I get it back correctly. In this case the TSA handed the laptop to someone other than the owner. If this happens, clearly the process has a defect, and needs to be corrected, or, even better in this case, abandoned completely. Don't blame the victim.

>Don't blame the victim.

Ugh.

>If the government decides they need to take my stuff away from me to check it, they better make sure that I get it back correctly.

Absolutely! But if you keep expecting them to do that without being careful and paying attention to your own stuff guess who foots the bill? This could've been all mitigated by OP being slightly more careful. Why do I say this? Because it's easier to ask someone to pay attention to their stuff than it is to ask the government to change its practices (bureaucracy etc). It's not victim blaming, it's about finding the most practical solution to prevent this problem from happening again.

Re: TSA gave my MacBook Pro to another passenger at LAX, and now it's gone

#54
post #11

In a way, it's not the TSA's fault, it's ours for tolerating this insanity. Sometimes I almost wish someone smuggles a bomb through the TSA security line, and successfully storms a plane so we can finally have concrete evidence that those processes only provide annoyance , not security . The most successful terrorist of all times was Richard Reid, the dude who tried to embark in a plane with explosive material in his…

Maybe not a real bomb, but what about something that explodes in confetti. How long do you think I'll be in jail for?

Re: TSA gave my MacBook Pro to another passenger at LAX, and now it's gone

#55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly what happened in Brussels. There the bombs were detonated in the check in departures hall before the security area. What happened afterwards is even more absurd. They organized a security check before entering the departures hall, leading to massive 3 hour waiting lines outside the building. Clearly protecting the building is far more important than the security of the people in the waiting line.

As ridiculous as that was I can't blame the politicians for that kind of absurdity. The media would eat them alive if they weren't shown to be 'active' and god forbid something happens again and nothing had changed. It's a sad situation, modern democracy and twitter have merged into a flurry of overactivity and fake outrage.

I can, a politician without the mettle to stand up to the media is doing their supporters a disservice, the media does not run the country, well, not legally, not yet.

Re: TSA gave my MacBook Pro to another passenger at LAX, and now it's gone

#56

Whilst the TSA agents should be taking more care to ensure valuables are returned to the correct person, there are several agents working on a single line. The person who saw him place the computer into the x-ray would be different from the person handing items back so it's not all that surprising that didn't know who it belonged to and was just assuming people were being honest. Any frequent flyer will know return o…

I've found the TSA employee folks.

Re: TSA gave my MacBook Pro to another passenger at LAX, and now it's gone

#57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly what happened in Brussels. There the bombs were detonated in the check in departures hall before the security area. What happened afterwards is even more absurd. They organized a security check before entering the departures hall, leading to massive 3 hour waiting lines outside the building. Clearly protecting the building is far more important than the security of the people in the waiting line.

As ridiculous as that was I can't blame the politicians for that kind of absurdity. The media would eat them alive if they weren't shown to be 'active' and god forbid something happens again and nothing had changed. It's a sad situation, modern democracy and twitter have merged into a flurry of overactivity and fake outrage.

I wish the media would eat them alive for doing stupid things like just relocating the place where people will be blown up to outside the building.

Re: TSA gave my MacBook Pro to another passenger at LAX, and now it's gone

#58

I don't like how the author fusses about someone else who was arguable also similarly being abused by the TSA: "Behind me, I could hear a woman making a big scene because her “flight [was] at 4:15,” and her gigantic bag was clearly never going to fit on the airplane. She claimed multiple times that “the lady” told her she could bring it through security."

There is a good chance that the person who took the laptop was acting with an accomplice, and that the woman making the scene was involved.

So you actually think there are gangs that take flights just to steal stuff during baggage check?

Re: TSA gave my MacBook Pro to another passenger at LAX, and now it's gone

#59

My take away from this... Put your name and number on your valuables just in case someone picks them up by accident.

Doesn't do much good when someone making $13/hour[1] hands your stuff off to someone else without a second glance. [1] http://work.chron.com/tsa-officers-make-16008.html

I doesn't solve the problem flat out, but it does make it much easier for an honest person to figure out what to do next. Not everybody is comfortable opening up a strangers computer to poke around for contact info, especially if they're also worried that they might be in trouble for having the computer in the first place.

Even more so if it's handed in to lost and found. Those guys are definitely not going to do forensics. Come to think if it, there's a good chance that the laptop is in the lost and found of whatever airport that woman was flying to, logged in as "PC (Other)".

Re: TSA gave my MacBook Pro to another passenger at LAX, and now it's gone

#60
post #11

In a way, it's not the TSA's fault, it's ours for tolerating this insanity. Sometimes I almost wish someone smuggles a bomb through the TSA security line, and successfully storms a plane so we can finally have concrete evidence that those processes only provide annoyance , not security . The most successful terrorist of all times was Richard Reid, the dude who tried to embark in a plane with explosive material in his…

I don't think he's reading HN

"Reid filed a lawsuit against the restrictions placed on him in prison which controlled his communications with lawyers and other non-prisoners"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Reid

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