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Re: Zach Holman joins GitLab as advisor

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Zach's advocacy of GitHub was one of the reasons I became such a fan over the years. Ever since they fired him, things haven't quite felt the same... I don't know the exact circumstances around his departure, but I do know that GitHub lost someone who, for me, had become one of the leading faces of the company. Of course, maybe that's exactly why the let him go. Regardless, I'm looking forward to seeing him do the sa…

He discussed the firing here: https://zachholman.com/talk/firing-people

Wow. That really tanked my opinion of github.

   I had been talking to various officials in leadership for a few months 
   hammering out the details and had been under the impression that we had 
   reached an agreement, but I was surprised to find out that wasn’t the case. 
   I was informed 28 hours before my 90 day window closed that the agreement I 
   had thought I had didn’t exist; it was then that I realized I had 28 hours 
   to either come up with hundreds of thousands of dollars that I didn’t have 
   to save half of my stock, or I could sign the agreement as-is and avoid 
   losing half of my already-diminished stake. I opted to sign.
   [...]
   But I still haven’t found the next thing I’m really interested in, which 
   just feeds into the whole cycle some more. For better or worse, that’ll be 
   changing pretty quickly, since I’m pretty broke after working part-time and 
   living in San Francisco for so long. Even though I helped move a company’s 
   valuation almost two billion dollars, I haven’t made a dime from the company
   outside of making a pretty below-to-average salary. That’s after six years.
   
   Think on that, kids, when you’re busting your ass day and night to strike it 
   rich with your startup dreams.

I've read on here about Etsy similarly fucking employees who left.

Those options are worth a lot less than you think they are. One of the wonders of cash is it's very hard for companies to retroactively steal it back.

If you're going to a company that gives options, demand either an 83b or iso to nso flip / 10 year exercise window.

Re: Zach Holman joins GitLab as advisor

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Heya, shoot me an email (amanda@gitlab.com) and I'll see what I can do about getting you some stickers. Thanks for the feedback! It's great to hear :)

I'm a big fan of Gitlab, too. Can I also get a sticker? (I can send SASE to cover shipping, if that's a concern).

Definitely! Shoot me an email :)

Re: Zach Holman joins GitLab as advisor

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I migrated to GitLab after GitHub refused - either in writing, or even in person! - to respond to my questions about Opal.rb. Specifically I was asking whether their hiring Coraline Ehmke constituted an endorsement of her behaviour towards that project, and towards politicisation of OSS in general in that manner. It's looking increasingly likely that I made the right call.

Jesus Christ man, step away from the keyboard.

Re: Zach Holman joins GitLab as advisor

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I migrated to GitLab after GitHub refused - either in writing, or even in person! - to respond to my questions about Opal.rb. Specifically I was asking whether their hiring Coraline Ehmke constituted an endorsement of her behaviour towards that project, and towards politicisation of OSS in general in that manner. It's looking increasingly likely that I made the right call.

Are you refering to the following issue?

https://github.com/opal/opal/issues/941

Re: Zach Holman joins GitLab as advisor

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I migrated to GitLab after GitHub refused - either in writing, or even in person! - to respond to my questions about Opal.rb. Specifically I was asking whether their hiring Coraline Ehmke constituted an endorsement of her behaviour towards that project, and towards politicisation of OSS in general in that manner. It's looking increasingly likely that I made the right call.

sounds to me like you were trying to get them to validate your biases by making a statement that no sanely managed company (with lawyers on staff) would ever do under any circumstances. whatever your issue with Coraline Ehmke is (I have no idea what the situation there is) you should still try to conduct yourself with some kind of professionalism and decorum. politicization of OSS is indeed becoming a problem and I'v…

> whatever your issue with Coraline Ehmke is (I have no idea what the situation there is)

https://github.com/ContributorCovenant/contributor_covenant/...

https://medium.com/@duncan.bayne/coraline-2893dc09aea1

I don't have an issue with Coraline, personally, but I think her approach to SJ and OSS is abusive and damaging to the OSS community as a whole.

That's why I was aghast that GitHub hired her, in particular, into a position to influence their abuse and community management tools.

My queries to GitHub were always polite and decorous, and ditto my behaviour in person when talking to a GitHub staff member about the issue.

Re: Zach Holman joins GitLab as advisor

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post #46

I migrated to GitLab after GitHub refused - either in writing, or even in person! - to respond to my questions about Opal.rb. Specifically I was asking whether their hiring Coraline Ehmke constituted an endorsement of her behaviour towards that project, and towards politicisation of OSS in general in that manner. It's looking increasingly likely that I made the right call.

Are you refering to the following issue? https://github.com/opal/opal/issues/941

Yup. I believe GitHub's hiring of her constitutes a tacit endorsement of that behaviour.

Re: Zach Holman joins GitLab as advisor

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I read his Fired post, and still can't really seem to understand why he got fired. Anyone have a better read on his firing situation?

His writeup: https://zachholman.com/talk/firing-people We cannot know for sure whether it has anything to do with his firing (and he doesn't mention it in the writeup), but Julie Ann Horvath did accuse Zach of harassing her at GitHub.

I don't think this had anything to do with that incident, as Zach worked at GitHub for a long time (years?) after it happened. Here's an excerpt from GitHub's internal investigation which talks about the allegations other than those alleged against Tom Preston-Werner:

> As to the remaining allegations, the investigation found no evidence of gender-based discrimination, harassment, retaliation, or abuse.

https://github.com/blog/1823-results-of-the-github-investiga...

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