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There’s Nothing Magical About Breakfast

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Re: There’s Nothing Magical About Breakfast

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You're grossly inflating those calorie numbers. A grande Starbucks cappuccino is 120 calories. Nonfat brings it down to 80. A grande dark roast at Starbucks is 5 calories, 1 tsp of sugar is 16 calories, and 1oz of milk is 12 calories. Unless you're drinking milk and sugar with a splash of coffee, you won't get anywhere near 200-300 calories. Even a peppermint mocha with whipped cream - pretty much one of the sweetest…

Honestly, I used starbucks website to get my numbers, so maybe they are grossly inflating those numbers. >Even a peppermint mocha with whipped cream - pretty much one of the sweetest drinks you'll find at Starbucks - only has 440 calories, so you'd need to really add a lot of syrups to get to >600. Example: Iced White Chocolate Mocha = 640 calories >A grande Starbucks cappuccino is 120 calories. I would say the 120 i…

> I would still say that is a substantial amount of empty calories. Its really no different than having a 12 oz coke every morning from an empty calorie point of view.

So, in your opinion a glass of milk is empty calories, no different from a Coke?

Re: There’s Nothing Magical About Breakfast

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Yes from the "words have meaning" point of view, breakfast is unavoidable.

There are other points of view?

I believe he's being uncharitable to the descriptive point of view when he calls the prescriptive point of view the "words have meaning" point of view.

To flip the bias there, you could call the prescriptive point of view the "words have meaning ordained by God and it doesn't matter what anyone actually says" point of view, and call the descriptive point of view the "evidence-based" point of view.

When people say "breakfast", do they mean the moment of breaking one's fast? A prescriptivist would say "yes, obviously, it's right there in the word". A descriptivist would say "probably not, because everybody understands what it means to 'skip breakfast'."

Re: There’s Nothing Magical About Breakfast

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No, just because breakfast is a compound word doesn't mean it must exactly match the two words it is composed of. Spearmint isn't mint leaves tied to a spear, Carhop doesn't involve jumping in any way, and understand doesn't involve standing anywhere let alone under anything.

Some compound words do, however, like firetruck. It's a truck. For fire. Breakfast falls into that category.

Well it's sort of more of a watertruck really, isn't it?

Re: There’s Nothing Magical About Breakfast

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" This habit has forced me to be subjected to more lectures on how I’m hurting myself, my diet, my work and my health than almost any other. Only a fool would skip the most important meal of the day, right?

As with many other nutritional pieces of advice, our belief in the power of breakfast is based on misinterpreted research and biased studies. "

> Goes on to cite 2013 studies being wrong

> Implies that "Our belief in the power of breakfast" dates to 2013

> Ignores the fact that our belief in the power of breakfast dates back to people like JR Kellog, 19th century food industrialist, 7th Day Adventist, and superintendant of the Battle Creek Sanitarium. One of the time's foremost authorities on health for the rich and famous, whom he lectured on the poison of meat & alcohol consumption and the ungodly plague of masturbation & orgasm, a guaranteed path to every disease known to man. He gave us calisthenics, grain-based breakfast, and also circumcision (though his clitorectomy and wire-based male chastity surgery did not catch on) based on his religious intuitions (stemming from the prophetic visions of Ellen G Wright) and social mores. Which were not, per se, peer reviewed to modern standards. They were marketed to consumers and the devout in an age of literal snake oil salesmen, in an era when doctors had a laughable corpus of knowledge. An impressive man, but scientists really do need to remember to cite the source of the ideas they are testing, not merely the latest attempt to validate those ideas.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqDhT3OIEI8

https://archive.org/details/biologiclivingr00kellgoog

http://www.seriouseats.com/2015/03/history-of-breakfast-cere...

Take something we already seem to want to believe, eg, "MSG is bad for you", and subject that sort of vague proposition to a battery of independent tests run by publication-biased or funding-biased researchers with a diversity of different levels of scientific rigor & statistical literacy, and you will always find some studies that pan out and prove the thing the scientists wanted to prove. Dietary research is extremely hard, because we can't keep humans caged in a controlled environment, and researchers rarely get a thousandth of the funding they would need to really legitimately demonstrate the principle they're poking at.

The fact that there's no scientific basis for the observation, that the observation, if you chase it down, is a single anecdote of one guy eating salty food, that many other foods contain MSG, that the only reason it is being investigated is literally that it's the subject of rumors... these things have real weight on the chances that a study has produced a meaningful result and not merely some mistake or uncorrected correlation that the writers & peer review failed to catch.

For things we already seem to want to believe whose only source of funding is a commercial entity... there is nearly zero epistemological significance to a study saying what they want it to say. Outside of the large group of things they might do to sway the results, they get to pick and choose which studies to publicize; A breakfast cereal company funding a study with perfect experimental design and perfectly honest researchers can merely publicize the one study out of twenty that reached statistical significance at p=0.05.

Re: There’s Nothing Magical About Breakfast

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Some compound words do, however, like firetruck. It's a truck. For fire. Breakfast falls into that category.

Well it's sort of more of a watertruck really, isn't it?

It does not carry water but it does carry equipment to handle fire.

Re: There’s Nothing Magical About Breakfast

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As somebody who does weight lifting I can say from my experience that I performed much worse back then when I didn't take the time to eat a breakfast before going to the fitness studio. I actually even had to stop the training sometimes because I had to vomit. (probably too low blood sugar) During that time I made very slow progress. Since I started to eat breakfast 2-3 hours before training I never had any issues an…

I have also found that eating 2-3 hours before training (not necessarily breakfast) is optimal for full energy during the workout.

Being hungry is something that I'm very used to, but in the gym it's extremely counterproductive. Couldn't perform with more than ~85-90% of my maximum strength and just aborted the whole workout.

Re: There’s Nothing Magical About Breakfast

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No, just because breakfast is a compound word doesn't mean it must exactly match the two words it is composed of. Spearmint isn't mint leaves tied to a spear, Carhop doesn't involve jumping in any way, and understand doesn't involve standing anywhere let alone under anything.

Some compound words do, however, like firetruck. It's a truck. For fire. Breakfast falls into that category.

So then when McDonald's introduced breakfast anytime and had ads about having breakfast for lunch and breakfast for dinner they were suggesting fasting all day until you got an egg mcmuffin for lunch or your end of day meal?

I don't disagree with the it started as first meal of the day regardless of time of day, but these days it is more likely to mean morning meal than it is first meal of the day.

Re: There’s Nothing Magical About Breakfast

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This is the kind of thing that sounds right but makes absolutely no sense at all Exactly because the sense of hunger is not correlated with the exact need to eat is that we have obesity. Eating only when hungry sounds like a good idea but then you get (usually fat) people complaining they are hungry all the time. An average adult will spend around 12h (and probably more) physiologically fine without food, until its g…

I think they meant "Don't eat when you aren't hungry" rather than "Always eat when you're hungry". The first seems obviously true, while the second is something that I don't think anybody argues. The disconnect between hunger and the need to eat may be an artifact of the separation of flavor from nutrition in modern, engineered "foods". To me it seems that hunger must have evolved as a fundamental signal to do or not…

I'd argue both. "Don't eat when you aren't hungry" is very often violated because eating is social activity. I also don't see why would everybody agree on "Always eat when you're hungry". I think it's better to drink a glass of water (or tea) or milk when you are hungry or do something else instead like going somewhere where you should be, doing something you should do or just playing a game.

Re: There’s Nothing Magical About Breakfast

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Some compound words do, however, like firetruck. It's a truck. For fire. Breakfast falls into that category.

So then when McDonald's introduced breakfast anytime and had ads about having breakfast for lunch and breakfast for dinner they were suggesting fasting all day until you got an egg mcmuffin for lunch or your end of day meal? I don't disagree with the it started as first meal of the day regardless of time of day, but these days it is more likely to mean morning meal than it is first meal of the day.

There are many ideas conveyed by a single word in English.

You could refer to the concept of breakfast, the meal, and also the common food of breakfast, bacon and eggs, with the same word.

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