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Re: Ask HN: Passive Income Suggestions 2016

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Careful though, you can quickly be picking up pennies in front of a steamroller. It's a low amount of interest for unsecured debt and when you don't get the principal back that 5-7% suddenly seems not so high. And "automated diversified portfolios" is exactly what mortgage backed securities were a decade ago. Look how that turned out.

Mortgage backed securities were not risky because they were diversified. They were risky because nobody fully understood how undiversified they were, especially at the lower grade tranches. Meanwhile, LC was alive in '08, and you can look at how their notes performed. Investors lost single digit percentages. In other words, they beat S&P by a lot.

> Meanwhile, LC was alive in '08, and you can look at how their notes performed. Investors lost single digit percentages. In other words, they beat S&P by a lot.

Comparing performance of 2008 vintage loans with 2008 S&P may not be appropriate.

First the 2008 loans didn't completely pay off until 2011. Second, the loans issued during recession (2008) will perform better during recovery phase (2008 onward). Such borrowers are likely to be with stable credit worthiness due to tighter credit criteria by lenders during recession. Also, as borrowers' economic condition improve with recovery, they are more likely to continue making payments instead of defaulting.

The worst performance for unsecured loans is generally for loans that were issued to borrowers during boom time and as economy is headed toward recession (2005-2008). Any event that impacts borrowers capability to make payment will impact first unsecured loans, credit cards, etc.

Federal Reserve (FRED) has quite a bit of data on different type of debts and how they have performed over the years if you are interested in exploring this segment further. I find the debt/lending/fixed-income/bond market segment very fascinating. It is generally not explored in-depth by most people and very quant/maths heavy.

Re: Ask HN: Passive Income Suggestions 2016

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Dude, you should definitely raise your prices. I would pay at least $19 a month for this. Had to double take when I saw $8 a month.

Let's talk after you start paying. I'd love to hear how you're using it and how it's providing value for you—and even get a testimonial for the frontpage! :) FWIW there are multiple tiers: $8/mo, $35/mo, $85/mo, $275/mo and I have one custom-priced "enterprise" client. That's another lesson I learned: The kinds of feedback I get from paying customers vs drive-by trials is completely different and often opposite.

Ah, didn't realise there were multiple tiers. I thought you charging one flat price for everything. My bad! :)

I'd actually like to create a similar sort of service for a different niche, so find this very interesting. I'll definitely sign up and test it out. I'd also love to email back and forth to ask one or two questions about how you came to choosing certain data points over others. Will shoot you one after I sign up.

Re: Ask HN: Passive Income Suggestions 2016

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For me risking no more than $25 ( the minimum ) on AA rated borrowers ( the best ) was a decent risk/reward.

That sounds like a really risky way to make pocket change. Why even bother?

In my experience, it turned out to be a very safe 6%. You can scale this up to any amount you wish - If you want to invest, say $1,000 total, you can choose to break it up into $25 per borrower and have 40 separate Notes. See, the whole point is, it's up to you: you may dial in exactly the amount of risk you want.

Re: Ask HN: Passive Income Suggestions 2016

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Let's talk after you start paying. I'd love to hear how you're using it and how it's providing value for you—and even get a testimonial for the frontpage! :) FWIW there are multiple tiers: $8/mo, $35/mo, $85/mo, $275/mo and I have one custom-priced "enterprise" client. That's another lesson I learned: The kinds of feedback I get from paying customers vs drive-by trials is completely different and often opposite.

Ah, didn't realise there were multiple tiers. I thought you charging one flat price for everything. My bad! :) I'd actually like to create a similar sort of service for a different niche, so find this very interesting. I'll definitely sign up and test it out. I'd also love to email back and forth to ask one or two questions about how you came to choosing certain data points over others. Will shoot you one after I sig…

Looking forward to it! andrey at briefmetrics.com (or support or whatever at that domain) will do the trick. :)

Re: Ask HN: Passive Income Suggestions 2016

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EXISTING: 1. Rental properties. Have 3 rentals that we purchased last year as part of a 1031 exchange (after selling the family ranch). I manage them and its been fairly low maintenance so far (knock on wood). FWIW student rentals in a university town aren't as bad as you might think. Most have a steady source of rent (parents or financial aid) and if you choose students in hard majors, they're less likely to party a…

On lists I'd want: - a list of all possible domain name tlds (org, edu, info, etc)

Re: Ask HN: Passive Income Suggestions 2016

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Bought a multi-family house in a hot housing market using an FHA loan. Yeah, you do have to intend to live in it. But FHA will make it possible to purchase a 2,3 or 4 family rental property with little down (as low as 3.5% but really depending on loan limits, which vary by county, here it's about 800k,1m,1.2m respectively). Once I acquired the property (no easy feat since sellers favor cash buyers here in NYC), I wai…

What neighborhood? I've been looking but NYC real estate just seems hella expensive and bubbly. So you're living there too?

Bed Stuy. I'd look there, Bushwick, eastern Crown Heights, Ridgewood, and similar neighborhoods with quick travel to Manhattan and near trendy areas. Bubbly? Maybe, but if your rental income covers or can cover the mortgage then it doesn't matter, is my rule of thumb, it's a great deal. The city has 500k more inhabitants in between 2000 and 2010, rent has only one direction to go given scarcity of housing - - while mortgage costs are fixed! I figured land had to be a good idea to own given that. Crime is more of a concern at the moment, I think the investment is solid.

Re: Ask HN: Passive Income Suggestions 2016

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EXISTING: 1. Rental properties. Have 3 rentals that we purchased last year as part of a 1031 exchange (after selling the family ranch). I manage them and its been fairly low maintenance so far (knock on wood). FWIW student rentals in a university town aren't as bad as you might think. Most have a steady source of rent (parents or financial aid) and if you choose students in hard majors, they're less likely to party a…

On lists I'd want: - a list of all possible domain name tlds (org, edu, info, etc)

Working on it

Re: Ask HN: Passive Income Suggestions 2016

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Small pitch, I am the owner of Pressed ( https://www.pressed.net ), and we do white label managed WordPress hosting. So anyone can sign up to create their own Managed WordPress hosting brand, and refer clients to their brand and build recurring revenue. Our team handles all the running, support, etc for the brand so you can just sit back and feed customers into it. Pretty passive :)

If this is white-labelled, why do you get a cut of what I sell it for? Aren't I hiring you to host/manage/support and I simply proxy support to you guys for the duration of the service?

Or are you billing my customers and sending me money? In which this sounds like an affiliate program more than anything.

Re: Ask HN: Passive Income Suggestions 2016

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I build a developer tool for premium plugin / theme authors in the Wordpress ecosystem. If you can build something that scratches an itch in a programming ecosystem, people are likely to pay for it. Although with the amount of work I do on it, I'm not sure I'd call it passive ;)

I assume you spend a lot of time supporting paid customers? I'm on the same boat. Part of making something for a popular platform is the fact that a lot of customers with very little knowledge of programming will get to use it and will need support for the simplest things.
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