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Ask HN: Passive Income Suggestions 2016

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Re: Ask HN: Passive Income Suggestions 2016

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Game Industry Vet here. Unfortunately middleware or tools for gaming have gone to the 0 margin, free area. Mainly because 99% of game generally don't make much money so people dont invest heavily. Those 1% that do make a lot of money tend to invest in the their own tool development or want to retain control of their middleware hence less money in the pot. Another interesting point, IMO, is that game development attra…

I'm finding that people spend way more money in the rough prototyping phase than during the "ok let's build the real thing" phase. Especially in things like asset stores. Myself and a bunch of friends working on VR stuff easily spend $10-50 on a random helper to get a prototype done in a few hours rather than a few days.

That is really interesting. I think definitely find myself doing this as well. It's easy to justify both personally and professionally. Thanks for bringing that up.

Re: Ask HN: Passive Income Suggestions 2016

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Peer to peer lending is the best thing I have found this year. You can get around 5 to 7 percent interest and you don't need a large amount of capital. With all the other financial markets so volatile right now this is a pretty solid rate of return. There are always risks of default that you will need to consider, but most platforms allow you to mitigate that with automated diversified portfolios.

Careful though, you can quickly be picking up pennies in front of a steamroller. It's a low amount of interest for unsecured debt and when you don't get the principal back that 5-7% suddenly seems not so high. And "automated diversified portfolios" is exactly what mortgage backed securities were a decade ago. Look how that turned out.

In other words it just takes 1 bad loan out of 20 to wipe out all the profits. Odds at vegas seems 150% better.

Re: Ask HN: Passive Income Suggestions 2016

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Last year, I wrote a guide to help junior devs get their first jobs, targeted mostly at developer bootcamp grads: https://kokev.in/hired-fast

It sold decently in 2015, and later that year I shifted sales focus to bootcamps and schools as opposed to individual students. The response has been great and earlier this year I've set up a few recurring deals for batch purchases. It's not life-changing money by any means, but it's great to see my content helping people at "scale" ;).

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EXISTING:

1. Rental properties. Have 3 rentals that we purchased last year as part of a 1031 exchange (after selling the family ranch). I manage them and its been fairly low maintenance so far (knock on wood). FWIW student rentals in a university town aren't as bad as you might think. Most have a steady source of rent (parents or financial aid) and if you choose students in hard majors, they're less likely to party and trash the place (my theory).

2. Niche websites. I'm silent partner in a company that does website design and hosting for a niche industry. Obviously, we have people running operations and support so its only passive for me, but it makes a lot of money. I know Wix and Squarespace and Weebly are the big players here but tons of small businesses still need help with their website. Don't overlook something you think is a solved problem.

IN THE WORKS:

3. Jekyll-based landing pages. I think Unbounce and similar services are overpriced if you're just experimenting. So I've built a few landing pages specifically for Jekyll. I've ran a few tests with an attorney and another small business. Going well so far. Plan is to sell them as a one-time purchase for $29 or so. Just need to find a front-end/design partner to help crank out a few more layouts.

4. An API for lists. This might sound weird but I always needs lists of things in projects I make. Think "all the currency codes" or "all the universities in the US". So I've built some scrapers for a bunch of lists and plan to provide them as a simple API or YAML/PList downloads (for iOS apps).

5. Apple TV stuff. Got some Apple TV stuff in the works. Just not sure how that platform is gonna play out.

Re: Ask HN: Passive Income Suggestions 2016

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I built a themes website ( https://jekyllthemes.io ) in a weekend that's monetized using affiliate links and Adsense. After the initial work was done, it's virtually 100% autopilot and brings in around $80/mo.

What sort of traffic numbers do you get, and how do they discover you? This is the sort of thing that I believe can be easily duplicated. Not copied, but translated to different ideas.

Generating traffic can be difficult, so the subject, plus actually useful content, is important.

Re: Ask HN: Passive Income Suggestions 2016

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If someone wants to beat Stripe Atlas to the LLC formation game, I'll be their first customer.

I'm confused. There are plenty of services (LegalZoom) that allow you to form a Delaware corp/llc now. What exactly does Atlas offer that's new? Is it just a focus on non-US citizens?

Re: Ask HN: Passive Income Suggestions 2016

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Careful though, you can quickly be picking up pennies in front of a steamroller. It's a low amount of interest for unsecured debt and when you don't get the principal back that 5-7% suddenly seems not so high. And "automated diversified portfolios" is exactly what mortgage backed securities were a decade ago. Look how that turned out.

In other words it just takes 1 bad loan out of 20 to wipe out all the profits. Odds at vegas seems 150% better.

Historically people have made money on Lending Club, and lost it in Vegas. I'll stick with Lending Club.

Re: Ask HN: Passive Income Suggestions 2016

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Peer to peer lending is the best thing I have found this year. You can get around 5 to 7 percent interest and you don't need a large amount of capital. With all the other financial markets so volatile right now this is a pretty solid rate of return. There are always risks of default that you will need to consider, but most platforms allow you to mitigate that with automated diversified portfolios.

Which platform? Lending Club seems... volatile at the moment.

Prosper has given me a ~8.5% return over the last 9 years.

Re: Ask HN: Passive Income Suggestions 2016

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I've been running https://briefmetrics.com/ for almost 3 years now (email reports of your Google Analytics).

It has been going back and forth between 100% running itself and investing a couple months of effort into it. I discovered I really don't enjoy marketing/promotion, so it has languished for sure. It's up to a bit over $1,000/mo right now which I'm fairly happy about but I feel it could easily be x2-x5 of that with some sales effort commitment.

I'll write down some lessons I learned in hopes that I'll take my own advice in the future:

1) Avoid big-effort partnerships.

Briefmetrics was a partner in an app store launch for one of the biggest domain registrars. This required integrating with their single-signon and payment system and coordinating with their team in India and altogether what looked like a week of work turned into ~3 months of hell. A year later, all this effort yielded approximately 0 customers. The target audience fit was not very good (new domains is the worst time to get analytics reports) and the sunk cost of effort kept me going far longer than it should have.

I finally pulled the plug last month and I sleep much better. (Even pulling the plug took weeks longer than it should have, ugh. Never again.)

2) Commit effort to marketing/sales.

This is definitely advice I need to take for myself. I launched a bunch of new features to upsell existing customers (mobile reports, ecommerce, etc) but none of this is advertised anywhere for new customers. In fact, I've had a professionally-done redesign mockup sitting in my Dropbox for over a year now that I'm yet to implement. I have a half-dozen related blog post ideas I need to write about, audiences to target.

I'm seeing a lot of similar issues with other people here, "I built this but they didn't come." I feel you.

3) Seriously, do marketing/sales.

I built Briefmetrics because it's something I needed and my friends needed. I instantly had a set of initial paying customers, but organic growth from a small seed of users is slooooooow.

Meanwhile I see great salespeople grow to tons of customers on what amounts to a product cobbled together in a few hours. This totally makes sense to me, and we all need to respect it more.

I'm allocating a couple of weeks on the calendar to just focus on this. If you built something you're proud of, you owe it to the world to do a better job promoting it.

Re: Ask HN: Passive Income Suggestions 2016

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It really depends on your skillset... if you code or do creative work, building a theme, shooting stock photography, or creating music with low licensing fees are all good things. I found this Inc article from January of this year pretty on point as well: http://www.inc.com/sujan-patel/you-don-t-need-to-be-a-millio...

Highly recommend against stock photography. Especially with sites like Pixabay, it's a race to the bottom. And when I sold stock photos ten years ago, it wasn't that profitable anyway.
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