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There’s Nothing Magical About Breakfast

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Re: There’s Nothing Magical About Breakfast

#61
post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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"X is good for you" is not typically a universal statement, but a probabilistic one. It doesn't have to be good for every single person in every single circumstance in order to be correct. It merely needs to be better for most people. For example, not being overweight is good for you. The existence of people who survive famine because they started out obese doesn't disprove that.

"Breakfast is good for you" implies that it has some benefit. In some cases, however, the cost of eating breakfast is greater than its benefit.

For instance, if you have to get to work at 5am, are you better off waking up earlier to eat breakfast? In this case, the cost of lost sleep may be greater than the benefit of breakfast.

The NYT article points out that many of the studies that claim breakfast is good may be flawed. If that's true, then we are likely overestimating the benefit of breakfast. And that means that in many cases where we thought

perceived_benefit(breakfast) > cost(breakfast)

it could actually be that

real_benefit(breakfast) < cost(breakfast)

Re: There’s Nothing Magical About Breakfast

#62

It seems pretty clear our understanding of diet is still in its infancy and news sites need to stop reporting every small piece of diet evidence as advice people should follow. Journalists in general need to do a much better job of explaining how robust new evidence is. I love this website for health science news and wish there were more like it: http://www.nhs.uk/news/Pages/NewsIndex.aspx In each article they break…

I agree with your sentiment, but I think it's important messages like this are out there to, at least, hamper the spread of unsupported messages like breakfast "being the most important meal". There's an insane amount of nutritional bullshit out there that has been perpetuated for generations.

Re: There’s Nothing Magical About Breakfast

#63
post #5

This reads like "I don't eat breakfast, so here's the reasons why I'm right." Studies that support his conclusion, while flawed, are probably right. Studies that oppose it are obviously tainted by various problems. The fact that research shows that breakfast is actually beneficial for children is hand-waved away because 'reasons'. This is honestly just a low-quality, cherry-picked opinion piece by someone who really…

>This reads like "I don't eat breakfast, so here's the reasons why I'm right."

Actually he gives very reasoned arguments and comments on meta-studies showing that he is right -- not that breakfast is bad, but in that it doesn't make any difference, and if it does nobody has clearly shown it.

(a) . In a paper published in The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition in 2013, researchers reviewed the literature on the effect of breakfast on obesity to look specifically at this issue. They first noted that nutrition researchers love to publish results showing a correlation between skipping breakfast and obesity.

(b) However, they also found major flaws in the reporting of findings. People were consistently biased in interpreting their results in favor of a relationship between skipping breakfast and obesity. They improperly used causal language to describe their results. They misleadingly cited others’ results. And they also improperly used causal language in citing others’ results.

(c) Few randomized controlled trials exist. Those that do, although methodologically weak like most nutrition studies, don’t support the necessity of breakfast.

(d) Further confusing the field is a 2014 study (with more financial conflicts of interest than I thought possible) that found that getting breakfast skippers to eat breakfast, and getting breakfast eaters to skip breakfast, made no difference with respect to weight loss. But a 1992 trial that did the same thing found that both groups lost weight. A balanced perspective would acknowledge that we have no idea what’s going on.

(e) Many of the studies are funded by the food industry, which has a clear bias. Kellogg funded a highly cited article that found that cereal for breakfast is associated with being thinner. The Quaker Oats Center of Excellence (part of PepsiCo) financed a trial that showed that eating oatmeal or frosted cornflakes reduces weight and cholesterol (if you eat it in a highly controlled setting each weekday for four weeks).

Your comment however, reads exactly like you describe his, but for the opposite preference.

Re: There’s Nothing Magical About Breakfast

#64
post #15

I'm sure there are many breakfast food manufacturers who would vehemently disagree with this article. I recall hearing a story about how the father of modern public relations and propaganda (Eddie Bernays) played a key role in making sure that bacon and eggs were a part of an American breakfast. You can watch him in this interview explain how he created and manipulated a poll of 5,000 physicians to convince the publi…

You are correct in that the American breakfast as we know it is one largely (in many senses of the word) invented to make us consume more.

Italian breakfast is a shot of espresso. Maybe a croissant if you're really that hungry. Then you get a monster lunch at noon.

Neither system is superior, it's just what works in either culture. Which is to say, there is no universal nutrition advice since everyone's body and microbiome and working culture is different. Pick and choose what works for you because only you process the food you eat.

Re: There’s Nothing Magical About Breakfast

#65
post #48

Eating requires a lot of energy. Eating too much in the evening will for example impact negatively your sleep. Therefore, it is better to have a good breakfast and lunch so you can skip dinner or have very light dinner (lean protein, veggies). If you skip breakfast, you will have to eat dinner/late dinner. Goodbye good night sleep.

I sleep fine when I eat late, perhaps even better because my stomach is full and that feels good.

Re: There’s Nothing Magical About Breakfast

#66
post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"X is good for you" is not typically a universal statement, but a probabilistic one. It doesn't have to be good for every single person in every single circumstance in order to be correct. It merely needs to be better for most people. For example, not being overweight is good for you. The existence of people who survive famine because they started out obese doesn't disprove that.

"Breakfast is good for you" implies that it has some benefit. In some cases, however, the cost of eating breakfast is greater than its benefit. For instance, if you have to get to work at 5am, are you better off waking up earlier to eat breakfast? In this case, the cost of lost sleep may be greater than the benefit of breakfast. The NYT article points out that many of the studies that claim breakfast is good may be f…

Yes, of course. I don't disagree with that at all. I'm just saying that "breakfast is good for you" is not disproven merely by showing that it's not always good for you.

Re: There’s Nothing Magical About Breakfast

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post #63
post #5

This reads like "I don't eat breakfast, so here's the reasons why I'm right." Studies that support his conclusion, while flawed, are probably right. Studies that oppose it are obviously tainted by various problems. The fact that research shows that breakfast is actually beneficial for children is hand-waved away because 'reasons'. This is honestly just a low-quality, cherry-picked opinion piece by someone who really…

> This reads like "I don't eat breakfast, so here's the reasons why I'm right." Actually he gives very reasoned arguments and comments on meta-studies showing that he is right -- not that breakfast is bad, but in that it doesn't make any difference, and if it does nobody has clearly shown it. (a) . In a paper published in The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition in 2013, researchers reviewed the literature on the e…

If anybody is telling you to eat when you are not hungry, check to see if they are selling something.

Re: There’s Nothing Magical About Breakfast

#68
post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Breakfast is good for you" implies that it has some benefit. In some cases, however, the cost of eating breakfast is greater than its benefit. For instance, if you have to get to work at 5am, are you better off waking up earlier to eat breakfast? In this case, the cost of lost sleep may be greater than the benefit of breakfast. The NYT article points out that many of the studies that claim breakfast is good may be f…

Yes, of course. I don't disagree with that at all. I'm just saying that "breakfast is good for you" is not disproven merely by showing that it's not always good for you.

my original thoughts were wrong. it makes more sense to use a cost/benefit function (ala economics) rather than a logical argument

Re: There’s Nothing Magical About Breakfast

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post #63
post #5

This reads like "I don't eat breakfast, so here's the reasons why I'm right." Studies that support his conclusion, while flawed, are probably right. Studies that oppose it are obviously tainted by various problems. The fact that research shows that breakfast is actually beneficial for children is hand-waved away because 'reasons'. This is honestly just a low-quality, cherry-picked opinion piece by someone who really…

> This reads like "I don't eat breakfast, so here's the reasons why I'm right." Actually he gives very reasoned arguments and comments on meta-studies showing that he is right -- not that breakfast is bad, but in that it doesn't make any difference, and if it does nobody has clearly shown it. (a) . In a paper published in The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition in 2013, researchers reviewed the literature on the e…

(a), (b), (d), and (e) are where he's argued that support for "breakfast is good" is methodologically weak, but then he goes and brings out (c) as an argument for his conclusion, while also being methodologically weak at the same time.

You've also neglected to mention (f), where the author discusses studies that show that breakfast is beneficial to children and then handwaves both of them away:

> What about the argument that children who eat breakfast behave and perform better in school? Systematic reviews find that this is often the case.

and

> It has been found that children who skip breakfast are more likely to be overweight than children who eat two breakfasts.

Re: There’s Nothing Magical About Breakfast

#70
post #19
post #15

I'm sure there are many breakfast food manufacturers who would vehemently disagree with this article. I recall hearing a story about how the father of modern public relations and propaganda (Eddie Bernays) played a key role in making sure that bacon and eggs were a part of an American breakfast. You can watch him in this interview explain how he created and manipulated a poll of 5,000 physicians to convince the publi…

Bacon and eggs is still better than a sugar-blasted bowl of breakfast cereal, which it seems we are thankfully getting away from as the default breakfast.

Everyone healthy is sightly insulin resistant in the morning. Cereal is not a good idea then. Actually, it's never a good idea.
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