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How Windows Everywhere finally happened

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Re: How Windows Everywhere finally happened

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> Microsoft promised developers that Windows would run anywhere. This summer, it finally will. Bullshit. Versions of Windows that are all labeled Windows 10 are running in a lot of devices, and you can write applications that in theory can run on all of them (though practically writing one application that runs well on all of them may be somewhat harder if you want your application to be useful in any way.) But that…

>This article might as well have been written by Microsoft's PR department. Totally not grounded in reality at all. Well, Peter Bright loves MS tech and has bias against Google. IMO you should take his articles with a grain of salt.

That's putting it mildly. :)

Re: How Windows Everywhere finally happened

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Linux is a kernel. I cannot run GNU/Linux applications on Android/Linux nor on ChromeOS/Linux.

You can if the applications are packaged properly.

Android has a custom Dalvik/ART stack for running apps. Typical Linux distros consist of Xorg/Wayland with GNU packages. They're not related in any regard other than the Linux kernel.

Re: How Windows Everywhere finally happened

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As a good example of this problem, I remember the new Metro (or whatever it's called now) calculator taking a whole screen on a 22". Yes it worked, but it looked really terrible and unusable.

Apparently it's also extremely slow, to the point that it needs a loading screen : https://www.reddit.com/r/windows/comments/3ng3f4/windows_10_...

UWP apps (excluding the start menu) all just have a splash screen when you launch them, it doesn't have anything to do with 'speed'.

Re: How Windows Everywhere finally happened

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I honestly don't know, I didn't get to see what dialogs appeared. Bear in mind that computers often get us to accept terms and conditions, and virtually no-one reads them before clicking OK. There's no way I could blame my parents if that's what they did. Hell, most of my security advice to them is explaining what is a 'legitimate' message box is and what isn't (Quick test: try describing it yourself, the many varied…

I know the feeling. My mother's approach to computing is infuriating: If she would just READ the often perfectly simple message on the screen she could solve 90% of her problems. For the same reason as your parents ending up with Windows 10 my mother managed to install the pay-version of the free anti-virus software I had installed - when it asked here if she wanted to upgrade to the non-free version she clicked on "…

One other difficult problem I find with my parents, and with others of a similar age, is trying to persuade them to experiment with using their computer. They often find some convoluted way of doing something and stick with it.

For example, for a long time my Mum would return to google's homepage by quitting and restarting firefox. I had to explain how the home & back buttons worked several times. My parents were afraid to even try pressing unfamiliar icons in a program (or even realise that they were buttons that could be pressed). Again, it's not stupidity, but just uncertainty and their fear of breaking the computer if they do the wrong thing.

Giving a tablet as a present for my parents was a big help here. The biggest ease of use has been that I have persuaded them that there is just about nothing that they can accidentally break on it, and if they ever reach something confusing, then pressing the only button on the front will always take them back to a recognisable place.

Re: How Windows Everywhere finally happened

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Operation successful, patient dead... It's kind of tragic that much of this effort may never pay off: in the process of merging platforms and restructuring API's (that started with Vista and is still going) Microsoft lost the connection to many of its developers, who went to build Web, iOS and Android apps. WPF, Silverlight, WinRT, XAML, UWP: there were too many changes, rewrites and deprecations. Windows Phone, bril…

As a long-time Win32 programmer (over a decade), I can safely say that the vast majority of existing applications still remain (for the time being) forward-compatible. Here's some examples: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOj-bAZBhnE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRfn4M5DXTE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqFWuNmWbHk The reasons people hold off on "upgrading" Windows versions is not mainly because of compatibility…

> The reasons people hold off on "upgrading" Windows versions is not mainly because of compatibility, but other factors like unwanted UI changes and removed features, and particularly with Windows 10, the increased data-collection intrusiveness and "we own your machine" attitude

Since quite a lot of people swear that they will never upgrade to Windows 10 for those reasons (esp. the data-collection, privacy, telemetry, and forced update issues), what do you think of the feasibility of a software product that blocks Microsoft from doing all those things?

This product would automatically configure Windows 10 to minimize all those intrusions, and where Microsoft does not provide an opt-out or disable setting, it would actively block the intrusive activity (like the way anti-virus software blocks certain malware actions).

Is this technically feasible? Would it violate Microsoft's terms and conditions? Is there enough of a market?

Re: How Windows Everywhere finally happened

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You can if the applications are packaged properly.

Android has a custom Dalvik/ART stack for running apps. Typical Linux distros consist of Xorg/Wayland with GNU packages. They're not related in any regard other than the Linux kernel.

Most of the GNU packages do not have GUIs. They work fine on android. You can easily chroot into a full Debian install, among other options.

And there are X server apps to provide you the full experience.

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