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How Windows Everywhere finally happened

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Re: How Windows Everywhere finally happened

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Post by willtim »

ekianjo wrote: post #61
joosters wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I despise Microsoft for this. Two days ago, my dad accidentally triggered an upgrade to Windows 10. In a panic, he switched the computer off, and now it no longer boots. It's now down to me to repair the computer. Apparently, months of dismissing the pop up invitations to upgrade to Windows 10 were not enough for Microsoft, they had to go and practically force it down people's throats. And my family is paying the pri…

Time to consider an OS change maybe?

If only it were that simple. Even if we restrict ourselves to open cross platform software, hardware support remains a big issue. I have a Skylake laptop with which I daisy chain two external monitors via displayport. Linux doesn't even support Skylake properly, let alone my dual monitor configuration.

Re: How Windows Everywhere finally happened

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Post by LionessLover »

joosters wrote: post #57
feelin_googley wrote: post #24

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http://www.computerworld.com/article/3070460/windows-pcs/mic...

I despise Microsoft for this. Two days ago, my dad accidentally triggered an upgrade to Windows 10. In a panic, he switched the computer off, and now it no longer boots. It's now down to me to repair the computer. Apparently, months of dismissing the pop up invitations to upgrade to Windows 10 were not enough for Microsoft, they had to go and practically force it down people's throats. And my family is paying the pri…

I'm just curious because I really don't know more than my own sample-of-1 experience:

Don't you have to agree to "Terms and conditions" before the Windows 10 installation actually starts?

I actually re-enabled the Windows 10 upgrade warnings on my Windows 7 desktop, because I intend to upgrade in the last week of the upgrade being free. My desktop (Dell XPS 8500 from 2012) is not supported with Windows 10 (the first time I have to say "Dell, you suck!" - I've had 5 systems from them, desktops and laptops, and a few monitors up to 32 inches), and with my XPS (9333) 13 laptop (which Dell supports with Windows 10) I had pretty much unsolvable (Realtek) sound crash issues.

So anyway, just two days ago after reenabling the Windows 10 upgrade warning it started installing it on its own, as you say - but it first asked me if I agree to the "terms and conditions". I clicked "disagree" and the upgrade was canceled.

So from my own experience I can't see that Microsoft installs Windows 10 without an option to stop the process? I also have not been bothered with another attempt of auto-installation in the days since, but that's probably going to happen after an actual reboot - thus far I've only used "suspend to disk" to switch the PC off.

Re: How Windows Everywhere finally happened

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Post by dingo_bat »

mafuyu wrote: post #58
dingo_bat wrote: post #27

I don't like the Universal apps or whatever they're calling them this month. They are limited, slow, crashy and buggy. They regularly just disappear after a sleep and wake. I have been left questioning my sanity wondering if I closed Messenger. Also, they are clunky and slow. For example, switch to a desktop with a universal app open and for the duration of the desktop slide animation, the app window will be complete…

As a side note, I fixed the Start menu searching issue by disabling the slide animation for the menu: http://lifehacker.com/disable-this-animation-to-make-windows...

Thank you! That really improves the situation!

Re: How Windows Everywhere finally happened

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Post by douche »

dingo_bat wrote: post #27

I don't like the Universal apps or whatever they're calling them this month. They are limited, slow, crashy and buggy. They regularly just disappear after a sleep and wake. I have been left questioning my sanity wondering if I closed Messenger. Also, they are clunky and slow. For example, switch to a desktop with a universal app open and for the duration of the desktop slide animation, the app window will be complete…

Windows Forms is the ironborn of Microsoft APIs - What is dead may never die...

But you do have to pray to a bizarre and Cthulhu-like old god (Win32).

Re: How Windows Everywhere finally happened

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Post by zxcvcxz »

pjmlp wrote: post #49
sandworm101 wrote: post #12

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I'd call linux a direct competitor of MS. There may be no single entity who as done as much with linux, but linux as software is certainly more pervasive than windows.

Linux is a kernel. I cannot run GNU/Linux applications on Android/Linux nor on ChromeOS/Linux.

You can if the applications are packaged properly.

Re: How Windows Everywhere finally happened

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Post by dvdcxn »

StevePerkins wrote: post #70
dingo_bat wrote: post #27

I don't like the Universal apps or whatever they're calling them this month. They are limited, slow, crashy and buggy. They regularly just disappear after a sleep and wake. I have been left questioning my sanity wondering if I closed Messenger. Also, they are clunky and slow. For example, switch to a desktop with a universal app open and for the duration of the desktop slide animation, the app window will be complete…

Agreed. I WANT to push back against the recent trend of using Electron to build desktop apps with HTML and JavaScript, as they "don't look and feel native". Then Microsoft goes and develops a native desktop framework that looks and feels like Electron apps.

I disagree with that, HTML/CSS/Js is by far the most widely understood paradigm for building user interfaces. There's nothing stopping apps built with these technologies looking native other than the stylistic choices of the designers.

Re: How Windows Everywhere finally happened

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Post by joosters »

LionessLover wrote: post #72
joosters wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I despise Microsoft for this. Two days ago, my dad accidentally triggered an upgrade to Windows 10. In a panic, he switched the computer off, and now it no longer boots. It's now down to me to repair the computer. Apparently, months of dismissing the pop up invitations to upgrade to Windows 10 were not enough for Microsoft, they had to go and practically force it down people's throats. And my family is paying the pri…

I'm just curious because I really don't know more than my own sample-of-1 experience: Don't you have to agree to "Terms and conditions" before the Windows 10 installation actually starts? I actually re-enabled the Windows 10 upgrade warnings on my Windows 7 desktop, because I intend to upgrade in the last week of the upgrade being free. My desktop (Dell XPS 8500 from 2012) is not supported with Windows 10 (the first…

I honestly don't know, I didn't get to see what dialogs appeared. Bear in mind that computers often get us to accept terms and conditions, and virtually no-one reads them before clicking OK. There's no way I could blame my parents if that's what they did.

Hell, most of my security advice to them is explaining what is a 'legitimate' message box is and what isn't (Quick test: try describing it yourself, the many varied OS / browser / A/V popups, v.s. the scammy fake dialogs that appear.)

Re: How Windows Everywhere finally happened

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Post by joosters »

ekianjo wrote: post #61
joosters wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I despise Microsoft for this. Two days ago, my dad accidentally triggered an upgrade to Windows 10. In a panic, he switched the computer off, and now it no longer boots. It's now down to me to repair the computer. Apparently, months of dismissing the pop up invitations to upgrade to Windows 10 were not enough for Microsoft, they had to go and practically force it down people's throats. And my family is paying the pri…

Time to consider an OS change maybe?

I wish I could, but you and I both know that's a massive amount of time and work.

Re: How Windows Everywhere finally happened

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Post by fleitz »

pjmlp wrote: post #46
Maarten88 wrote: post #9

Operation successful, patient dead... It's kind of tragic that much of this effort may never pay off: in the process of merging platforms and restructuring API's (that started with Vista and is still going) Microsoft lost the connection to many of its developers, who went to build Web, iOS and Android apps. WPF, Silverlight, WinRT, XAML, UWP: there were too many changes, rewrites and deprecations. Windows Phone, bril…

> Microsoft really needs to stop introducing "upgrades" that require application rewrites in Windows for the next 3-5 years, and focus on getting the Windows Store going. You mean like the "Framework of the day" on web land? Or the "rewrite your app with each Android version" that you cannot get? Or "your language just got replaced" on iOS land?

ObjC ain't going anywhere.

Re: How Windows Everywhere finally happened

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Post by pjmlp »

fleitz wrote: post #79
pjmlp wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Microsoft really needs to stop introducing "upgrades" that require application rewrites in Windows for the next 3-5 years, and focus on getting the Windows Store going. You mean like the "Framework of the day" on web land? Or the "rewrite your app with each Android version" that you cannot get? Or "your language just got replaced" on iOS land?

ObjC ain't going anywhere.

The amount of ObjC sessions at last WWDC 2015 and the upcoming WWDC 2016 send another message.
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