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Chromebooks outsold Macs for the first time in the US

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Re: Chromebooks outsold Macs for the first time in the US

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As someone who started using computers in 1982, I would have to disagree. Computers today are incredibly powerful, and because of that, operating systems and applications have become complex beasts themselves. My first computer only had 4K and a text based interface. As an end user, I only needed to know a handful of commands. Most navigation was done through multiple choice text menus. Even moving into the early 90s…

> Back in the old days, all you had to do was load and run stuff off discretely labeled physical media like a cassette or floppy. You only ran one program at a time. You didn't need to worry about network security, because the only network you could afford consisted of you putting your sneakers on and bringing a disk to another machine. Your computer was turned off with a switch. There was no need for a "shut down" c…

> I was referring to the good old 90s, where the web took off with home computers that were already running stuff like Win95 and people were not complaining about being clueless on how to use them. Even older people (>50s) has no big issue to start using computers then

I remember this time completely different than you do.

Re: Chromebooks outsold Macs for the first time in the US

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I think it's hilarious how little the HN community knows about Chromebooks. Every time it pops up, there's a wave of people saying "I don't know a single person who has one!" and "They seem useless without an internet connection!" and "I wonder how they compare to mac books." People forget that most of the world doesn't write code, and doesn't need native applications. They write email, take selfies, and write extrem…

Professional software ( Adobe Creative Suite, Microsoft Office, CAD etc ) and a large majority of games only runs on Windows. There is a plethora of software already developed for Windows which will continue to only run on Windows. There is a large number of people who have bet their careers on Windows and Microsoft. Microsoft has billions of dollars of runway even now and they are a very diversified company in terms…

Interesting examples but all of the above can be done on OSX and several can be done in the browser as well :-)

Re: Chromebooks outsold Macs for the first time in the US

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Moreover, Chromebooks, when paired with a good cloud IDE like https://c9.io , are excellent for writing code - more so than any "traditional" OS, since the local system is only dedicating resources toward keeping the interface responsive, and not wasting them on background distractions like local search indexing or filesystem defragmentation. Meanwhile, if you accidentally forkbomb a cloud development server, your mu…

I bet I could use it for an hour and come up with a long list of why I would hate that environment. But off the top of my head: Not all developers work on projects which can be hosted by a third party company and require always-on super-stable internet access.

Web apps can work completely offline if the developer adds support https://codelabs.developers.google.com/codelabs/offline/ Not sure why this misconception about web apps requiring "always-on super-stable internet access" persists when this technology has been available for quite some time (in the form of App Cache before Service Workers)

Re: Chromebooks outsold Macs for the first time in the US

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post #104

I think it's hilarious how little the HN community knows about Chromebooks. Every time it pops up, there's a wave of people saying "I don't know a single person who has one!" and "They seem useless without an internet connection!" and "I wonder how they compare to mac books." People forget that most of the world doesn't write code, and doesn't need native applications. They write email, take selfies, and write extrem…

Couldn't agree more. It honestly still seems nuts to me that the browser hasn't taken over the whole OS experience. It's clear that locally installed software is going away. But it's happening on a system that was designed decades ago to request a single markup document, and return it in a single response. Obviously, the browser has matured. JavaScript has matured. We now have more protocols to work with than just HT…

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Re: Chromebooks outsold Macs for the first time in the US

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Web assembly gets first class access to browser API's and the DOM, which Applets never did. Applets had virtually zero ability to communicate with the webpage they were contained in. This paired with the fact that most users at the time (on Windows) had to download additional nagware to run them, and you have a recipe for disaster. Web assembly is a continuation of JavaScript and ASM JS and is poised to be a much bet…

Why would they need the ability to communicate with the webpage they were contained in? They can communicate with themselves. What's the difference between a single-page web application in WebAssembly and a single-page java applet in java bytecode? What's the DOM adding? Suppose I want to run Quake in the browser. Applets already do that. It's not a new idea or a new technology.

> What's the difference between a single-page web application in WebAssembly and a single-page java applet in java bytecode? What's the DOM adding?

With the DOM you don't have to reinvent the numerous wheels it provides (text, images, layout, controls) nor do you have to use the visually inconsistent versions of these applets provided.

Java is also owned by Oracle, and was previously owned by Sun, so its development has/will always be directed by the needs of its owners rather than the community at large.

> Suppose I want to run Quake in the browser. Applets already do that.

I dont think this is the primary motivation for WebAssembly.

> It's not a new idea or a new technology.

Sure, but there are crucial implementation differences (i.e. DOM interaction), differences in the presentation and culture, and political differences.

Re: Chromebooks outsold Macs for the first time in the US

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I think it's hilarious how little the HN community knows about Chromebooks. Every time it pops up, there's a wave of people saying "I don't know a single person who has one!" and "They seem useless without an internet connection!" and "I wonder how they compare to mac books." People forget that most of the world doesn't write code, and doesn't need native applications. They write email, take selfies, and write extrem…

Smartphone is basically Chromebook, just in smaller form factor.

Re: Chromebooks outsold Macs for the first time in the US

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I bet I could use it for an hour and come up with a long list of why I would hate that environment. But off the top of my head: Not all developers work on projects which can be hosted by a third party company and require always-on super-stable internet access.

Web apps can work completely offline if the developer adds support https://codelabs.developers.google.com/codelabs/offline/ Not sure why this misconception about web apps requiring "always-on super-stable internet access" persists when this technology has been available for quite some time (in the form of App Cache before Service Workers)

It may be possible to host the ide component locally in the browser, but that doesn't give you the execution environment (ie you can't run a vagrant image or in the case of a server based ide, a container, in a browser)

Re: Chromebooks outsold Macs for the first time in the US

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post #104

I think it's hilarious how little the HN community knows about Chromebooks. Every time it pops up, there's a wave of people saying "I don't know a single person who has one!" and "They seem useless without an internet connection!" and "I wonder how they compare to mac books." People forget that most of the world doesn't write code, and doesn't need native applications. They write email, take selfies, and write extrem…

Smartphone is basically Chromebook, just in smaller form factor.

My smartphone isn't hobbled to only run shit in a Chrome runtime.

Re: Chromebooks outsold Macs for the first time in the US

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For the usage you describe, i would actually recommand a Tablet ( iPad ) rather then Chromebook. I was actually waiting to upgrade to iPad Air 3, but instead we got a 9.7" iPad Pro. From a hardware perpestive, once the iPad Air gets 4GB Ram, there is very little difference between it and the Chromebook.

difference is $200

You are comparing the lowest Chromebook which are absolutely crap in quality to an iPad Air.
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