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Startups Once Showered with Cash Now Have to Work for It

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Re: Startups Once Showered with Cash Now Have to Work for It

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This is bad news for bootstrapped startups. If cash stops being a cocaine-tier obsession for these guys, we might have to compete with them. Sad.

Could you explain your point?

Conventional reasoning is that decreased VC investments is actually good news for bootstrappers, as it winnows down the competition of people offering unsustainable unit prices with outsized markets. If everyone is forced to seek fast profitability, bootstrappers are the most experienced at it.

Re: Startups Once Showered with Cash Now Have to Work for It

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Money that comes easily, goes easily. Where did the VCs get the money from [1][2]? If they didn't break a sweat, they won't hesitate to throw it around without asking questions about profitability. EDIT: People who are downvoting are trying to hide the truth of the market, whether it's a bubble or not, this is the source of the money and in turn, your livelihood ;) [1] Probably from banks who got it from the gov't wh…

VC funds getting money from banks? I've not heard of that and your link doesn't support it. Unless the government connection you're trying to assert is that low interest rates drove more money into VC funds in order to seek higher returns.

> Unless the government connection you're trying to assert is that low interest rates drove more money into VC funds in order to seek higher returns.

This is a constantly overlooked factor in what's been driving the VC climate for the past few years. "Cheap" money (in the form of low interest rates) pushes more money into riskier positions, and the VCs have to give that money to someone. It's no coincidence that the correction is coming at the same time as interest rates finally rising again.

Re: Startups Once Showered with Cash Now Have to Work for It

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Yup, same as it ever was. I remember back in 2001 saying to myself, "Good, all the bullshit is flushed out. Anything that survives this is real and should be invested in." Too bad I didnt put a few thousand into YHOO and AMZN back then: http://finance.yahoo.com/q/hp?s=AMZN&a=04&b=16&c=1997&d=04&e...

AMZN and GOOG would have been great investments and still are

Google IPO wasn't till '04 though.

Re: Startups Once Showered with Cash Now Have to Work for It

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VC funds getting money from banks? I've not heard of that and your link doesn't support it. Unless the government connection you're trying to assert is that low interest rates drove more money into VC funds in order to seek higher returns.

> Unless the government connection you're trying to assert is that low interest rates drove more money into VC funds in order to seek higher returns. This is a constantly overlooked factor in what's been driving the VC climate for the past few years. "Cheap" money (in the form of low interest rates) pushes more money into riskier positions, and the VCs have to give that money to someone. It's no coincidence that the…

I get the theory there but it's never seemed realistic to me. What VC would actually change their mind about pulling the trigger on an equity by because of a fractional point change in the risk free rate? It just doesn't make sense.

Re: Startups Once Showered with Cash Now Have to Work for It

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This is great news for bootstrapped companies which are likely used to running lean, might actually be profitable, and can outrun and outlast an inflated competitor. Major cashflow changes tend to be disastrous for most companies, it's just not that easy to realign everything. If you're up against a competitor that has raised a lot easy money and now needs to show results, you should be happy to see this.

Perhaps. Or you can be stuck competing with a company that is pissing money into a hole and offering what appears to be a similar product for free. How are they ever going to become a functioning business w/ revenue > expenses? Underwear gnomes! Been there, done that, it sucked.

That's what is happening now. Once those companies run out if easy money they'll be forced to actually compete on value instead of just handing product away. Which is great news for bootstrapped companies that are used to functioning without bleeding cash.

Re: Startups Once Showered with Cash Now Have to Work for It

#36

This is bad news for bootstrapped startups. If cash stops being a cocaine-tier obsession for these guys, we might have to compete with them. Sad.

It's the best thing to happen for bootstrapped start-ups. They'll eat over-funded start-ups for lunch, those won't be able to get follow on money when they eventually run out and so will implode. I weathered the dot-com crash in exactly that fashion, it did wonders for us by decimating the competition.

Re: Startups Once Showered with Cash Now Have to Work for It

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post #34

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> Unless the government connection you're trying to assert is that low interest rates drove more money into VC funds in order to seek higher returns. This is a constantly overlooked factor in what's been driving the VC climate for the past few years. "Cheap" money (in the form of low interest rates) pushes more money into riskier positions, and the VCs have to give that money to someone. It's no coincidence that the…

I get the theory there but it's never seemed realistic to me. What VC would actually change their mind about pulling the trigger on an equity by because of a fractional point change in the risk free rate? It just doesn't make sense.

Are you saying that a change in interest rates doesn't have an effect on funding decisions? Because it seems like fractional interest rate changes would have (at least) a fractional effect on risk perception.

Plus, are you accounting for tax benefits and other ancillary forces?

Re: Startups Once Showered with Cash Now Have to Work for It

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post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Unless the government connection you're trying to assert is that low interest rates drove more money into VC funds in order to seek higher returns. This is a constantly overlooked factor in what's been driving the VC climate for the past few years. "Cheap" money (in the form of low interest rates) pushes more money into riskier positions, and the VCs have to give that money to someone. It's no coincidence that the…

I get the theory there but it's never seemed realistic to me. What VC would actually change their mind about pulling the trigger on an equity by because of a fractional point change in the risk free rate? It just doesn't make sense.

It's not the individual VC that changes their mind. The LP that funds the VC has to work harder for returns when money is cheap. They're incentivized to put more money into potentially higher-yielding investments (or even just keep the same asset allocation, but a bigger pool = more money going into VC at the same allocation). That in turn means they're incentivized to fund more marginal VC firms, and then it's the marginal VC firms that fund the marginal startups.

Good VCs usually maintain the same investing standards in good times and bad. But during boom times, there are more VCs, and many of the newcomers aren't particularly good at it.

Re: Startups Once Showered with Cash Now Have to Work for It

#39

This is generally a good sign for the market. Not so good for bloated startups without a viable business model or cash positive finances (including probably the majority of the unicorns out there at the moment). For such firms it's about to be a bloodbath, but hard facts are that there's a lot of junk out there that got funded in loftier times and now needs to be flushed out of the system. For lean startups with a st…

I'm just glad to see it's happening slowly and rationally and not through a crash this time (at least not yet).

Re: Startups Once Showered with Cash Now Have to Work for It

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post #34

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I get the theory there but it's never seemed realistic to me. What VC would actually change their mind about pulling the trigger on an equity by because of a fractional point change in the risk free rate? It just doesn't make sense.

Are you saying that a change in interest rates doesn't have an effect on funding decisions? Because it seems like fractional interest rate changes would have (at least) a fractional effect on risk perception. Plus, are you accounting for tax benefits and other ancillary forces?

Not on the kind of long-tail high-risk investments VCs make, no.
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