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Re: “Eat, sleep, code, repeat” is such bullshit

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Navarr wrote: post #164
uola wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The other phrases (like rave or game) is fun because it represent a dream as in wishing one could only do that. "Eat, sleep, code, repeat" is very much something you can do while working at Google or any other tech company. In fact you might even be, essentially, forced to do it during "crunch mode". It's not a dream, it's a nightmare. I get that some marketing person thought it would be funny, but work/life balance…

So is game to video game testers - often even worse off than our industry when it's crunch time - and far less respected. It's about how you view it. View it as job and it sucks. View it as hobby, and it's fine. Just like Gaming

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Re: “Eat, sleep, code, repeat” is such bullshit

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Post by nickpsecurity »

smoyer wrote: post #97

I'm married and have four kids, though two have now left the nest. When I read this, I think about all the times I set aside my code to do something more important - interact with my kids, nurture my wife, and pursue hobbies outside the technology world (I run, bike and sail). But ... you might be surprised to learn that I love that tee-shirt. I think there are many who are misguided enough to ignore balance in their…

AHA! Someone else who knows about 1802's and has Intersil's datasheet! I'll probably be sending you an email or two as I've considered reviving 1802 with a clone for high-reliability, verifiable embedded. Plus, an associate told me the Intersil datasheet was one of best he'd ever seen in terms of technical data. It performed really well on SOI tech back in the day with long runs in harsh space environments. Something to be said for such tech. :)

Btw, what do the 1802's from Intersil cost these days in low volume?

Re: “Eat, sleep, code, repeat” is such bullshit

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Post by qb45 »

smoyer wrote: post #112
thearn4 wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm married with a 11 month old son, but definitely identify with this perspective on it. I'd never sideline my family to squeeze in an extra bit of work for the sake of work, but still strongly identify with the passion for technology that got me to where I'm at today. I hope I can raise my son to appreciate an appropriate balance.

I've had a lot of fun working on technology projects with my kids. I'd say these projects are too numerous to mention but as an example, my daughter and I wrote a program (well ... I wrote it and she specified and QA'd it) that finds CRISPR sites in a mouse genome for her lab project at Johns Hopkins (she's a doctoral candidate in molecular genetics). So share your passion for technology with your child(ren) ... it's…

> we switched from Win98 to WinXP that night so that I could have a bit more control.

That sucks, poor kid. I knew my Windows 98 activation key by heart in my early teens :)

Re: “Eat, sleep, code, repeat” is such bullshit

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Post by nickpsecurity »

smoyer wrote: post #112
thearn4 wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm married with a 11 month old son, but definitely identify with this perspective on it. I'd never sideline my family to squeeze in an extra bit of work for the sake of work, but still strongly identify with the passion for technology that got me to where I'm at today. I hope I can raise my son to appreciate an appropriate balance.

I've had a lot of fun working on technology projects with my kids. I'd say these projects are too numerous to mention but as an example, my daughter and I wrote a program (well ... I wrote it and she specified and QA'd it) that finds CRISPR sites in a mouse genome for her lab project at Johns Hopkins (she's a doctoral candidate in molecular genetics). So share your passion for technology with your child(ren) ... it's…

"My daughter once deleted C:\Windows because she never "played that game" and wanted to install another game before I got home (her mom told her to wait). That OS never booted again ... "

That's hilarious. I'd have never considered that risk.

"It's a funny contrast to teaching computers to senior citizens, who are afraid any wrong keystroke or errant mouse-click will permanently break something."

The contrast is interesting. Both cases lead to a piece of advice I've been giving for a decade or something: backup anything extra critical onto write-once media like CD-R's or DVD-R's. Make sure it's certainly recoverable. Then, you're worried about a temporary loss of PC access instead of permanent loss of important data.

Re: “Eat, sleep, code, repeat” is such bullshit

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Post by smoyer »

nickpsecurity wrote: post #172
smoyer wrote: post #97

I'm married and have four kids, though two have now left the nest. When I read this, I think about all the times I set aside my code to do something more important - interact with my kids, nurture my wife, and pursue hobbies outside the technology world (I run, bike and sail). But ... you might be surprised to learn that I love that tee-shirt. I think there are many who are misguided enough to ignore balance in their…

AHA! Someone else who knows about 1802's and has Intersil's datasheet! I'll probably be sending you an email or two as I've considered reviving 1802 with a clone for high-reliability, verifiable embedded. Plus, an associate told me the Intersil datasheet was one of best he'd ever seen in terms of technical data. It performed really well on SOI tech back in the day with long runs in harsh space environments. Something…

I have no idea what the 1802s cost today ... my tube was purchased in the late '70s.

Re: “Eat, sleep, code, repeat” is such bullshit

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Post by krisroadruck »

brandonmenc wrote: post #144
krisroadruck wrote: post #126

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I've done both, and honestly if I could get paid 6 figures to work outside with my hands I'd probably switch back and forth between the 2 every 3-4 years. Sure manual labor is hard but it has some rewards to. Sadly one of those rewards is not a decent living.

> I've done both Me too. Even at its worst, the flexibility of a programming job outweighs everything else. I'd still rather set my own 60 hour schedule than have a set-in-stone 40 hour one. > Sadly one of those rewards is not a decent living. You must not know any plumbers, garbage haulers, streets employees, masons, finish carpenters, or electricians. I have friends and family in each of those categories, and they…

That's all well and good but we were talking about ditch digging not being a skilled laborer. Of course a plumber or electrician can make good money, especially if they own their own business and manage it well. That is a far cry from operating a shovel though isn't it? You'll also notice I mentioned 6 figures specifically, and while I do know ONE plumber who makes that much, it is because he has a rather large multi-employee business and is more of a manager at this point than a plumber. The benefits I was talking about was the ability to sort of mindlessly put your muscles to work. You can do that with a shovel. Mindlessly working with electricity, water mains, or finishing touches on someones house is likely to at best get you fired and at worst get you injured fairly severely.

Re: “Eat, sleep, code, repeat” is such bullshit

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Post by unlinker »

paganel wrote: post #110
unlinker wrote: post #23

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You can drive a BMW and wear a Rolex on your way to work and feel better about yourself.

Don't wear a BMW nor a Rolex but I imagine that the novelty and the "feeling good about yourself" caused by the possession of these two items would fade out pretty quickly.

No problem. You just buy a suit then. And then a huge telly. And then a new pair of shoes. Believe me, you'll never run out of shiny stuff to buy.

Re: “Eat, sleep, code, repeat” is such bullshit

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Post by mulcahey »

ChuckMcM wrote: post #146

I don't know if the author knows anyone who is an artist, but if they knew an artist it might add perspective on the t-shirt. There is a type of person who is driven to express their ideas and emotions. They can be moody and quiet or loud and extroverted but they get consumed by the process of creation and go into something like a trance state while creating. I have been that type of person and when I let myself go,…

Very well said.

It falls somewhat along the lines of "work to live" vs "live to work (or create)."

This is why you choose your company carefully based on its culture and mission. If it's a place that's not doing work that really excites you, they shouldn't expect you to get into that "mode." To some extent the less interesting the work is, the more the company has to spend on perks and salary to get people to even want to work there in the first place.

Re: “Eat, sleep, code, repeat” is such bullshit

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Post by noobermin »

ChuckMcM wrote: post #146

I don't know if the author knows anyone who is an artist, but if they knew an artist it might add perspective on the t-shirt. There is a type of person who is driven to express their ideas and emotions. They can be moody and quiet or loud and extroverted but they get consumed by the process of creation and go into something like a trance state while creating. I have been that type of person and when I let myself go,…

I think something that needs to be discussed then is not to exclude the spigot people from the hiring process just because they aren't driven to create like you are. Unfortunately, it comes across as attacking you, the creation types while it should be attacking employers who think Mr. or Ms. or Mrs. spigot would be a worse worker than you.

Re: “Eat, sleep, code, repeat” is such bullshit

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Post by zzzcpan »

ChuckMcM wrote: post #146

I don't know if the author knows anyone who is an artist, but if they knew an artist it might add perspective on the t-shirt. There is a type of person who is driven to express their ideas and emotions. They can be moody and quiet or loud and extroverted but they get consumed by the process of creation and go into something like a trance state while creating. I have been that type of person and when I let myself go,…

Turning it on and turning it off is what everyone does on a day job, whether they want it or not. But eventually it leads to poor productivity and burnout.
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