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Re: “Eat, sleep, code, repeat” is such bullshit

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Post by scrollaway » Sat, May 21, 2016, 3:56 PM UTC

nbevans wrote: post #32

jaywunder wrote: post #3

I think the OP misses the point of the shirt. Lot's of different subcultures and activities have this type of shirt. Someone could just as well wear a shirt that says "Eat. Sleep. Hike. Repeat." And people wouldn't actually think the person _only_ hikes. The shirt is completely ironic because to suggest someone _only_ codes all day is ridiculous. The OP misses the irony.

This. The OP is one of "those" people that just likes to find things to be faux offended by.

You're the one who missed the point of the OP, not the other way around.

It's pretty well understood that the shirt isn't itself trying to enforce an actual "eat sleep code repeat" mentality. But that mentality exists and isn't rare at all. A lot of people identify with that mentality. Maybe you identify with that mentality and that's why this post bothers you.

It's.. sad you think anybody here is "offended". You're the only one who seems to have been offended.

Re: “Eat, sleep, code, repeat” is such bullshit

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, May 21, 2016, 3:57 PM UTC

rplst8 wrote: post #8

Generally, this is an easy stance for young, unmarried, and otherwise unattached people to approach their career. A warning to those that think this will enhance their opportunities later in life. It won't. Sure there are a few great employers out there that will reward you with loyalty (or massive sums of money) but that is the exception. After a life of nothing but work, no matter how much you love it at the time,…

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Re: “Eat, sleep, code, repeat” is such bullshit

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Post by hunvreus » Sat, May 21, 2016, 3:58 PM UTC

The first featured post from the same author reads "How I fell in love with a programming language" [1] and dissect his "love" for Kotlin (the same way DHH "loves" Ruby).

Being a dad, I'm pretty sure he's able to appreciate the difference between him saying "I love Kotlin" and "I love my son". Well, that t-shirt is no different.

I've often liked the no-nonsense talk coming out of 37Signals/Basecamp, but this sounds like over-reaching.

[1]: https://m.signalvnoise.com/how-i-fell-in-love-with-a-program...

Re: “Eat, sleep, code, repeat” is such bullshit

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Post by Broken_Hippo » Sat, May 21, 2016, 3:58 PM UTC

Klathmon wrote: post #76

panic wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, but this shirt is being produced by a corporation and sold at a professional developer conference.

Why does that matter? I'm sure a "Eat Sleep Hike Repeat" shirt would be produced by a corporation and sold at "hiking conferences".

Again, for the most part, folks aren't out there hiking for a living. Which makes the "hiking conferences" more of a hobbyist convention... outside of people that develop products for hiking.

And I'd still recommend those people to hike for enjoyment in their free time and not be out there developing products or trying to sell what their company makes.

Re: “Eat, sleep, code, repeat” is such bullshit

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Post by triztian » Sat, May 21, 2016, 3:59 PM UTC

Navarr wrote: post #74

rplst8 wrote: post #8

Generally, this is an easy stance for young, unmarried, and otherwise unattached people to approach their career. A warning to those that think this will enhance their opportunities later in life. It won't. Sure there are a few great employers out there that will reward you with loyalty (or massive sums of money) but that is the exception. After a life of nothing but work, no matter how much you love it at the time,…

I think the issue here is when people take that viewpoint as a career. I code for a career. I also code for a hobby. I code for fun. They're different. You can eat. sleep. code. repeat. without it being eat. sleep. work. repeat. And you can mean it lightheartedly/halfheartedly as well. "Eat, sleep, game, repeat." can be the same thing. Obviously taking it literally is unhealthy, but I don't think anyone is proposing…

I also feel that way; in the sense that to me at least in this point of my life coding doesn't really feel like work but rather something that is a hobby, a game and a way to create value for others and myself. I do have to make time to work out again though.

Re: “Eat, sleep, code, repeat” is such bullshit

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Post by hunvreus » Sat, May 21, 2016, 4:00 PM UTC

uhtred wrote: post #59

hunvreus wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A business will consume you in ways you'd rather not think about. If you're a founder, you won't be sitting coding all day long for happy customers. You'll be juggling tons of crappy responsibilities and shipping code that is good enough to work (kinda). Just find a better company or work on Open Source and then grow this into a business (look at how Ansible or GitLab pulled that off for example).

I guess I mean I'd like to run a "lifestyle" type of business; something where I don't make a ton of money, but enough to get by (rather than a startup where I'm hoping to solve humanity's problems with a single app and make millions or billions from it). Actually the company I work for is the best company I've ever worked at! I think I just don't find satisfaction in the 9-5 corporate grind.

Yep, but even that mystical "lifestyle business" (otherwise known as "a business") is a lot of non-coding work. For a healthy dose of realism, I suggest you watch some of the MicroConf videos [1] (and definitely go there if you can).

[1]: http://www.microconf.com/videos

Re: “Eat, sleep, code, repeat” is such bullshit

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Post by jsprogrammer » Sat, May 21, 2016, 4:00 PM UTC

eric_h wrote: post #75

jsprogrammer wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The ordering of activities is also a bit strange. I don't like to eat right before sleep; I'd rather eat after sleep, then code.

So transpose the eat and sleep, it rhymes better anyway ;)

Transposing printed text on a T-shirt is not so easy :)

Re: “Eat, sleep, code, repeat” is such bullshit

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Post by Broken_Hippo » Sat, May 21, 2016, 4:01 PM UTC

TeMPOraL wrote: post #43

zxcvcxz wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some people code for fun too.

I code for fun as a way to restore myself mentally after coding for money...

Luckily you get time to do the fun part of this. Imagine if you had to do company-approved products in your spare time or if you didn't have that time to be able to work on such things?

I understand - I tried to go to college for graphic design, thinking it would leave my more "fine-arts" type of projects as a hobby and enjoyment.

Re: “Eat, sleep, code, repeat” is such bullshit

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Post by Broken_Hippo » Sat, May 21, 2016, 4:03 PM UTC

douche wrote: post #39

Broken_Hippo wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You need money to get to the places to Hike... and not be barefoot while doing so.

Or, you can be a broke-ass cracker in Appalachia - although most of them aren't much into hiking if there isn't a trout pond at the end or they're actually driving deer...

I could theoretically just hike my way off to somewhere to hike. Land use laws are different, and as long as I'm not messing up someone's forest, I'm good. And public transport will get one closer.

Indiana, most of those ponds and hunting places were state parks or privately owned places with "no trespassing" signs up, and far out of the way of the city.

Re: “Eat, sleep, code, repeat” is such bullshit

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Post by krrrh » Sat, May 21, 2016, 4:04 PM UTC

xabotage wrote: post #42

rplst8 wrote: post #8

Generally, this is an easy stance for young, unmarried, and otherwise unattached people to approach their career. A warning to those that think this will enhance their opportunities later in life. It won't. Sure there are a few great employers out there that will reward you with loyalty (or massive sums of money) but that is the exception. After a life of nothing but work, no matter how much you love it at the time,…

I distinctly remember sitting in yet another dull sprint retrospective and thinking, "Boy, I wish I were a firefighter." Granted, that line of work comes with its own drawbacks and I would certainly get bored of it the same way I get bored of software (or else worn out from the demanding physical aspect), but some days I'm surprised to find myself wishing I could "dig ditches out in the sunshine" or something of the…

It probably depends on the city, but I've heard that since Firemen work in long shifts living at the station a good deal of them also run contracting businesses on their days off from the station. It was explained to me that this was usually construction, but I imagine there are more than a few Fireman-coders out there.