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Re: Chromebooks outsold Macs for the first time in the US

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Chromebook give me a bash$ https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1n0wyA608k4eWGd9-NUh8... My 2008 Macbook died in March, that triggered me to mostly use my 2013 Pixel for dev. Although I do have an 27 iMac at home. My dev is mostly Web Dev + GCP and moving to Firebase (canonically all front end dev). Hence even though I have Ubuntu via Crouton, I rarely need a local Fuse file system. For node work and CLI work I spi…

Is this the Google Cloud Storage? Is it accessed as a remote file system?

Re: Chromebooks outsold Macs for the first time in the US

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Somehow I don't think that their hardware is as much an issue as their price point. As a developer you'd still be a fool (or just loaded with elbow grease) to attempt developing with a chrome book.

I know several developers whom I consider very good at their jobs who use Chromebooks exclusively for work.

Smart people can still make bad decisions for a variety of reasons.

Re: Chromebooks outsold Macs for the first time in the US

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post #66

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Do you replace Chrome OS with Ubuntu, dual boot, or run it in a VM? Do you spend most of your time in Chrome OS or in Ubuntu?

So with Crouton, you don't actually dual boot. It's more like a VM, but it uses the same kernel that Chrome OS uses, so it's more like Docker than Virtualbox. I have a cheap 11" Acer C720 and I probably use it more than my Macbook Pro. I have command line only Ubuntu installed, and the result is a tab I can open to have a full linux shell, much like how you would use a macbook. For all intents and purposes, it's the…

> It's more like a VM, but it uses the same kernel that Chrome OS uses, so it's more like Docker than Virtualbox.

I'm amused by this explanation, because I grew up doing chroot before virtualization took off and obviously before Docker.

Feeling old.

Re: Chromebooks outsold Macs for the first time in the US

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I think it's hilarious how little the HN community knows about Chromebooks. Every time it pops up, there's a wave of people saying "I don't know a single person who has one!" and "They seem useless without an internet connection!" and "I wonder how they compare to mac books." People forget that most of the world doesn't write code, and doesn't need native applications. They write email, take selfies, and write extrem…

The "Year of the Linux Desktop" FINALLY arrived, and the HN community finds out about it after the fact from the mainstream media...

Re: Chromebooks outsold Macs for the first time in the US

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post #75

That's hard to believe (I believe it, but it struck me as incredible at first). I don't know anyone with a Chromebook, and it's such a different way of computing that it's hard to believe it's taken off so much in such a short time. I think it is reflective of a new generation whose first computing experience was with phones and tablets. The idea that nothing of importance lives on the device is a huge paradigm shift…

The idea that nothing of importance lives on the device is a huge paradigm shift ... Rich vs. thin client is a pendulum that seems to swing about every 10-20 years. In the mid-'70s, a computer was a big box by IBM or DEC with a number of thin terminals attached. These had enough power to display a screenful of interactive information without having to talk to the server constantly (sort of like an early version of HT…

I came of age during the thin client craze of the 90s and I remember the grey beards then telling all of us whippersnappers that it was just the latest swing of the pendulum. Cut 20 years later and now I'm one of those grey beards.

Re: Chromebooks outsold Macs for the first time in the US

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The idea that nothing of importance lives on the device is a huge paradigm shift ... Rich vs. thin client is a pendulum that seems to swing about every 10-20 years. In the mid-'70s, a computer was a big box by IBM or DEC with a number of thin terminals attached. These had enough power to display a screenful of interactive information without having to talk to the server constantly (sort of like an early version of HT…

I don't think it ever actually swung into popular usage, until now, even though a lot of smart nerds wanted it to. So, I don't think a pendulum is the right term for what's happening (or what happened with the NC spec). I think it's a hill that a lot of people and companies have been pushing computing tech up for many years...now we've reached the top, and we're rolling down the other side. Getting to the top require…

There's a pendulum, but there's also a long term trend. Each swing towards thin clients seems to go a bit further and the local swing a bit less far.

Re: Chromebooks outsold Macs for the first time in the US

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Every current Mac laptop user: "Why the hell don't you release a retina macbook air? (A toy 'macbook' does not count.)

This current Mac laptop user bought a toy 'macbook' for portable development. It's replacing an aging MacBook Pro 17. I am running IntelliJ IDEA Ultimate and Visual Studio 2015 Enterprise (in a Windows 10 Fusion VM) without any issues. The lightweight portability and 12" retina screen are amazing.

Is this one of the new macbooks? I'm strongly considering doing exactly this but figure at this point I might as well see what they have in store for MBP, or even MBA if they don't can the product line.

Re: Chromebooks outsold Macs for the first time in the US

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I use a Chromebook. But I also put it in devmode, put on Crouton, and run a full-blown Ubuntu on it as well. Everyone I know with a Chromebook does the same thing. Then it becomes an inexpensive Linux Laptop that handles some things automatically.

Same here. Anybody who repeats the "Chromebooks are for kids who don't do anything sophisticated with their computers" schtick is just showing off their ignorance. A decent Chromebook (e.g. a Pixel or soon one of the HP/Acer models) plus Crouton is a more real development machine than anything Apple ever made, because it's more like the server where you'll eventually deploy. Then, unlike any of the other dozen Linux…

> Crouton is a more real development machine than anything Apple ever made, because it's more like the server where you'll eventually deploy

Well, this assumes one particular type of development! I would not choose a Chromebook to develop, say, Chrome!

I tried Crouton a few years ago, wanting to run xbmc. Audio didn't work, because it required a newer version of the Linux kernel. It turns out you can't just install a stock Linux kernel: you have to use a patched device-specific kernel that Google provides, and for my device, the Google-provided kernel was too old. Perhaps I could have built some frankenkernel, but instead I gave up and got a real Linux box.

I would not try to use Crouton again for a general Linux box, because you become dependent on Google for updating core software.

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