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Japan: It's Not Funny Anymore

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Re: Japan: It's Not Funny Anymore

#41
This poor person is suffering from culture shock. I'm an immigrant let me explain.

Culture shock is not OMG they eat X here. Culture shock develops slowly from the stress of being away from home and living in a strange land. You are long over people eating X or what ever, and then one day you're just sick of it all. Not exactly ALL of it, but you tend to fixate on the defects of the strange place you're in and you're in a perpetually bad mood, very similar to the stressed out shitty mood someone quiting smoking is always in.

Some of the points he makes are valid. There is lard in bread, I think that's MUCH better then the hydrogenated fats of margarine. Lard may not be good for you, but it is better then the alternatives.

And smoking is definitely bad for you. And as an European I feel that American corporate culture bleeds far too far into everyone's personal life, much like how the author feels about corporate partying in Japan.

The no-real friends thing also strikes me as something I can say about Americans, who from my perspective seem to have trouble forming deep adult friendships.

But the author and I have two options, get over it or go home.

The curious thing about culture shock is that it never strikes in the very first moments of awe when you just arrive. It takes a little while. But then you tend to get over it and then many months or some times years later it hits you again, and this time it is WORSE. And many immigrants/ex-pats never got over the second wave. They (we!) just end up pissed off at the host culture.

* EVERY JAPANESE POP SONG IS ABOUT THE SAME THING * Yeah, that's kind of every pop song period. And this attitude is a classing sign of culture shock.

Re: Japan: It's Not Funny Anymore

#42
Man, this guy's list of reasons for hating Japan is pretty much identical to my list of reasons for loving Japan. Non-smoking, tee-totalling vegetarian? Sounds like a real fun guy.

Got to hand it to him on the comedy shows, though, they're awful.

Re: Japan: It's Not Funny Anymore

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post #21

tl;dr edit - that's not entirely true, I got about 1/10th of the way through and realised I could do more constructive things with my time.

I think this is the kind of article that you scroll through until you find a paragraph with some interesting words, read until you get bored, and do that again until the end.

Re: Japan: It's Not Funny Anymore

#46
post #29

Tim Rogers is a nutjob. But he's got a few interesting points buried in there regarding language.

Only barely. English has plenty of similarly complicated words that are used frequently without people understanding their meaning. Learning about those meanings puts a bit of a shade on what people are actually saying, until you realize people don't actually mean it that way. It's the same way with irrashaimase ; it's a self-deprecating phrase (and Japanese does indeed have a lot of them), but it's a stock phrase, a…

I don't think that's a particularly good example unless you say "ow" in some very strange way.

Re: Japan: It's Not Funny Anymore

#47
Maybe I can sum up every little point I'm trying to make in this whole word-slab by saying I don't like that so many people agree to do things that they obviously hate doing.

This seems like a great description of the meat-free, booze-free, non-comformist working for a big Japanese corporation. Why didn't he leave the country 19,000 words ago?

Re: Japan: It's Not Funny Anymore

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post #41

This poor person is suffering from culture shock. I'm an immigrant let me explain. Culture shock is not OMG they eat X here. Culture shock develops slowly from the stress of being away from home and living in a strange land. You are long over people eating X or what ever, and then one day you're just sick of it all. Not exactly ALL of it, but you tend to fixate on the defects of the strange place you're in and you're…

Culture shock to me, as someone who has visited 20-ish countries and lived in 2, is more that "things are almost normal and like what you're used to, but just not enough to be comfortable", and as a result you end up perpetually on edge and perpetually adjusting just outside your comfort zone. It's jarring and difficult, a little like the room in Orwell's 1984 where the corners aren't quite straight, and things are just out of focus.

I didn't get culture shock in Tokyo, because it's just so different to everywhere else I'd been that I completely stopped the usual comparisons and just gave up.

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