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If you care about privacy, you should not use Google Allo

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Re: If you care about privacy, you should not use Google Allo

#71
Well, hopefully google will have an option to turn off this predictive response stuff. I know I don't want it.

Frankly, about duo (the video chat app), I don't want the other side to see me without picking up... seriously what? I'm probably not their target demographic though with these apps.

Re: If you care about privacy, you should not use Google Allo

#72

I pay cash for all my transactions. I don't own a car because I fear that the registration systems for licensing and taxes will gather information about me and we know that those government data systems are most vulnerable to attack. When I travel, it's by bus only - requiring a form of identification at the airport is a front to government spying. Unfortunately, the bus systems are starting to require too much infor…

"What is a girl's name?"

"A girl has no name."

Re: If you care about privacy, you should not use Google Allo

#74

Google would be insane to not offer some version of end-to-end encryption in a chat app in 2016, when all of its biggest competitors have it enabled by default. Who are all of its biggest competitors? Messenger sure doesn't do this (does it even have E2E at all?), Skype doesn't, either. Telegram, even if you considered it a big competitor, did they finally enable E2E by default? Or do you still have to open a "secure…

As of last January, WhatsApp handled ~30b messages a day [0]. As of this January, WhatsApp has 1b users [1]. iMessage has ~300m and "several billion" messages per day (hard to get stats unfortunately).

Telegram has 100m users and handles ~15b messages per day [2] but, similar to Google, is not e2e encrypted.

As of last month [3], Facebook Messenger and WhatsApp combined had 60b messages per day. Assuming WhatsApp daily messages grew roughly linearly with users, their increase from 700m to 1b users would put them at ~42b out of that 60, leaving 18b for Facebook.

So there are at least ~40b e2e encrypted messages flying around thanks to WhatsApp, with likely at least 20b (assuming iMessage is bigger than Telegram, which seems reasonable) more from iMessage, putting the e2e encrypted count around the ~60b ballpark.

Telegram and Facebook together would be ~30b and I seriously doubt Skype IM is competitive but KakaoTalk is ~150m users, around the same size as Telegram and WeChat is around 600m users [5].

So the unencrypted messages definitely have far more volume and users than encrypted but the encrypted platforms are still the largest around. The article said "all of its biggest competitors" and given that Google doesn't operate in China (ruling out WeChat), I think that's a reasonable choice of words, although it's really hard to say thanks to iMessage's lack of transparency.

[0]: http://venturebeat.com/2015/01/06/whatsapp-now-has-700m-user...

[1]: http://www.statista.com/statistics/260819/number-of-monthly-...

[2]: https://telegram.org/blog/100-million

[3]: http://www.theverge.com/2016/4/12/11415198/facebook-messenge...

[4]: http://www.statista.com/statistics/248863/number-of-register...

[5]: http://www.statista.com/statistics/255778/number-of-active-w...

Re: If you care about privacy, you should not use Google Allo

#75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I honestly can't tell if you're being sincere or exaggerating to make a point about how little privacy modern society allows. But, this is somewhat worrying: "If I could crinkle into a ball and fade away, I would, but, unfortunately, I'm still breathing." If that's not a joke, you should probably see somebody about your depression.

Or, he might be being sarcastic about how paranoid today's generation is, we'd never know without an explanation.

Maybe he did something really bad.

Re: If you care about privacy, you should not use Google Allo

#76
post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All kinds of clever and subtle things become possible in human communication when you stop insisting on overt signposts to interpretation and instead rely on your wit, experience, and judgment to resolve (or accept) possible ambiguities.

There is nothing in his post to assume humor either way, "overt signpost" or not. This is written text, where you don't have the signposts that vocal communication allows, such as sarcasm. I don't insist on "overt signposts" but I'm not going to pretend that there was anything in the post to make the author's point clear. So here I am relying on my wit, experience, and judgement and I have no way to resolve either wa…

Oh, come on.

> Voter registration is unfortunately a front for other malicious activities - such as jury duty, a state-mandated intrusion into my most private information and thoughts

How can you get to that point and not immediately understand that it's obviously satire?

Re: If you care about privacy, you should not use Google Allo

#78

Google would be insane to not offer some version of end-to-end encryption in a chat app in 2016, when all of its biggest competitors have it enabled by default. Who are all of its biggest competitors? Messenger sure doesn't do this (does it even have E2E at all?), Skype doesn't, either. Telegram, even if you considered it a big competitor, did they finally enable E2E by default? Or do you still have to open a "secure…

Most users won't have a clue what that even means.

Re: If you care about privacy, you should not use Google Allo

#79
post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is nothing in his post to assume humor either way, "overt signpost" or not. This is written text, where you don't have the signposts that vocal communication allows, such as sarcasm. I don't insist on "overt signposts" but I'm not going to pretend that there was anything in the post to make the author's point clear. So here I am relying on my wit, experience, and judgement and I have no way to resolve either wa…

Oh, come on. > Voter registration is unfortunately a front for other malicious activities - such as jury duty, a state-mandated intrusion into my most private information and thoughts How can you get to that point and not immediately understand that it's obviously satire?

> How can you get to that point and not immediately understand that it's obviously satire?

By having encountered people who express exactly that sentiment and are deadly serious about it.

Re: If you care about privacy, you should not use Google Allo

#80

I pay cash for all my transactions. I don't own a car because I fear that the registration systems for licensing and taxes will gather information about me and we know that those government data systems are most vulnerable to attack. When I travel, it's by bus only - requiring a form of identification at the airport is a front to government spying. Unfortunately, the bus systems are starting to require too much infor…

... and of course you are not using a cellphone... otherwise most of your other efforts would be pointless...
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