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Google moves to replace Flash with HTML5

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Re: Google moves to replace Flash with HTML5

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Yea the graphs are terrible there without flash Site even says when viewing without flash:"For the ubercool interactive charts, you need to install the Adobe Flash Player"

which is a bit surprising considering how quick a company the size of Google could whip up a more modern approach to this!

> a company the size of Google could whip up a more modern approach to this!

Maybe Google should look into .. Google Charts?

https://developers.google.com/chart/

Re: Google moves to replace Flash with HTML5

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This is a real blow to sites that rely on Flash's RTMP for low-latency live streaming. There's no real HTML5 equivalent right now. HLS and MPEG-DASH have a delay of around 30 seconds, often more.

Yes, we depend on Flash for this, too. I worry about Flash disappearing from the ecosystem before HTML5 streaming matures enough to deliver a decent, cross-platform-consistent live-streaming experience.

Re: Google moves to replace Flash with HTML5

#113
ok, are Google planning on supporting HLS if they're ditching flash? I see this site is saying that it does (with their player) -- so does it natively or are these guys doing a transmux in Javascript similar to HLS.js and others?

Re: Google moves to replace Flash with HTML5

#116
post #60

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EME is a huge advantage from a security perspective because it avoids pulling in a massive platform (Flash, Silverlight) just to play video. We can debate other aspects but from a security perspective moving to a small, tightly-scoped module is a big win and that's important when the cost of vulnerabilities is in the billions per year. It's also somewhat good for the web since both of those platforms are competitors…

Leaving aside the ethical stuff what worries me most about EME is that it'll break my linux usage at as a desktop, with a few exceptions I currently have a web experience equal to (or better) than anything on Windows or MacOSX, binary blobs that may never make it to Linux are a concern.

Agreed — I don't see much chance for change in the general DRM debate but it would be nice if it at least hit the point of something like H.264 where there were standard terms available to anyone who wanted to implement it so a new player couldn't be frozen out.

(Back in the day, we had a client who was working on a BeOS appliance. Plugins were a big deal since things like Flash were theoretically portable but Adobe wasn't going to talk with you for less than a certain dollar amount)

Re: Google moves to replace Flash with HTML5

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post #23

This is a real blow to sites that rely on Flash's RTMP for low-latency live streaming. There's no real HTML5 equivalent right now. HLS and MPEG-DASH have a delay of around 30 seconds, often more.

You can do the trick with WebRTC + a SFU (like Jitsi), but the bandwidth cost might be higher.

https://jitsi.org/Projects/JitsiVideobridge

Re: Google moves to replace Flash with HTML5

#118

Getting really frustrated with all the things chrome is starting to change. We are starting to become a bunch of sheep, if google wants something, they announce it, and implement it, we developers, users have to fall in line and start doing everything they want. What the hell is going on, why are we not pissed off about this. Look I hate Flash as much as the other guy, but blocking an extention just because a company…

You don't decide what a company can or can't do if you're not paying for the privilege of using their products.

Re: Google moves to replace Flash with HTML5

#119
post #56

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But Flash is garbage, and has been for a long time.

Flash is garbage, yes! I agree, I am talking about these blocking changes as a whole. Flash while it is indeed a piece of garbage, has done a lot for the internet, there are many places of the internet that are flash dependent. Some companies are still using flash in their internal systems, how do you justify breaking something that works for so many people?

> Some companies are still using flash in their internal systems, how do you justify breaking something that works for so many people?

This is necessary because its the only way to progress forward.

Re: Google moves to replace Flash with HTML5

#120

Getting really frustrated with all the things chrome is starting to change. We are starting to become a bunch of sheep, if google wants something, they announce it, and implement it, we developers, users have to fall in line and start doing everything they want. What the hell is going on, why are we not pissed off about this. Look I hate Flash as much as the other guy, but blocking an extention just because a company…

Flash has other problems besides security exploits.

* It's a single-vendor/proprietary runtime.

* It's not even available for mobile. Most of the content that uses it is made for desktops.

* It's a black box.

* It doesn't work great on platforms Adobe doesn't prioritize (if it's even available).

* We have to wait for Adobe to fix bugs and vulnerabilities.

All Chrome is doing here is phasing out the Flash Player runtime.

Even when support is dropped entirely you can still use something like OpenFL and/or Haxe and target the web with it if you still want to use your Flash skills.

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