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Re: Google moves to replace Flash with HTML5

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Wow, impressive! I'm waiting for the day where my internet stream is 'Live' like my television is 'live.'

I did a cursory search out of curiosity: TV has a 7 second delay they add themselves to filter content. The broadcast itself is pretty much instant. It's impressive.

I work for a church that does live broadcasts. We see about a 3-5 second delay on OTA and about a 4-6 second delay on cable. We are tied to the tv station by a fiber line and they are only a block or so away.

Re: Google moves to replace Flash with HTML5

#92
post #56

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But Flash is garbage, and has been for a long time.

Flash is garbage, yes! I agree, I am talking about these blocking changes as a whole. Flash while it is indeed a piece of garbage, has done a lot for the internet, there are many places of the internet that are flash dependent. Some companies are still using flash in their internal systems, how do you justify breaking something that works for so many people?

They're not breaking it. It's click-to-play, same as in Firefox by default.

Re: Google moves to replace Flash with HTML5

#93
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EME is a huge advantage from a security perspective because it avoids pulling in a massive platform (Flash, Silverlight) just to play video. We can debate other aspects but from a security perspective moving to a small, tightly-scoped module is a big win and that's important when the cost of vulnerabilities is in the billions per year. It's also somewhat good for the web since both of those platforms are competitors…

You don't need EME to play video, HTML5 video can be played just fine without it. AFAIK, You need EME to make sure that only browsers that have the Foo-Corporation EME plugin can play Foo-Corporation videos. And to get the EME plugin for a browser, you need to ask permissions from Foo-Corporation to have it. So anyone writing a new browers (like Mozilla did with what became Firefox) will have to ask for this permissi…

> You don't need EME to play video, HTML5 video can be played just fine without it.

I'm quite aware of that but consider it from the perspective of a normal user using a non-Apple/Google/Microsoft browser:

1. Click on a link on YouTube, Hulu, etc. It's not DRMed, so it just works.

2. The next thing in the playlist is DRMed (e.g. it's premium, owned by a more restrictive publisher, etc.) and it doesn't play.

For people like us, step 3 might be “Decide you didn't want to play it that much” or “Complain to the provider”.

For the vast majority of users, step 3 is more like “Give up on Firefox and use Chrome/Edge/Safari”. How many of them will eventually stop using Firefox in the first place?

That's the real problem here – even if Firefox had 90% marketshare, it would evaporate quickly because switching is easy, users have a bunch of reasonable quality options, and most users don't feel that they're getting a bad deal.

EDIT: note that I'm not saying this is how I'd like it to work, only that anyone who thinks DRM is unjust needs to think about the millions of Netflix subscribers and both why and how those people should spend their $9/month elsewhere.

Re: Google moves to replace Flash with HTML5

#94
post #56

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But Flash is garbage, and has been for a long time.

Flash is garbage, yes! I agree, I am talking about these blocking changes as a whole. Flash while it is indeed a piece of garbage, has done a lot for the internet, there are many places of the internet that are flash dependent. Some companies are still using flash in their internal systems, how do you justify breaking something that works for so many people?

At some point the costs outweigh the benefits and the bandaid just needs to be ripped off. Flash has been a security nightmare for very long time.

Re: Google moves to replace Flash with HTML5

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post #60

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EME is a huge advantage from a security perspective because it avoids pulling in a massive platform (Flash, Silverlight) just to play video. We can debate other aspects but from a security perspective moving to a small, tightly-scoped module is a big win and that's important when the cost of vulnerabilities is in the billions per year. It's also somewhat good for the web since both of those platforms are competitors…

> EME is a huge advantage from a security perspective because it avoids pulling in a massive platform (Flash, Silverlight) just to play video. You don't need EME "just to play video". HTML5-video without EME can do that just fine. It is only when you conflate video playback with DRM then that argument somewhat works.

See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11738527

Re: Google moves to replace Flash with HTML5

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Getting really frustrated with all the things chrome is starting to change. We are starting to become a bunch of sheep, if google wants something, they announce it, and implement it, we developers, users have to fall in line and start doing everything they want. What the hell is going on, why are we not pissed off about this. Look I hate Flash as much as the other guy, but blocking an extention just because a company…

You're arguing for the tyranny of the statuo quo. It doesn't make sense for Flash to even exist, it's only around for historical reasons.

If we all had browsers without Flash and someone came along and suggested adding it, what would your argument be? I don't see why our default should be not changing things when everyone knows the better technical answer is changing it.

Re: Google moves to replace Flash with HTML5

#97
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post #76

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And this is why I use firefox

I use Chrome for my flash garbage. Its much better than taking my current browsers resources and bogging it down

Exactly this! I use Firefox for everything but Flash websites, and Chrome only for those because the frozen Linux Flash player is a broken POS.

Re: Google moves to replace Flash with HTML5

#98
post #55

> DRM is a hugely important part of the online video workflow and HTML5 offers a very useful tool with Encrypted Media Extensions. DRM has never been important for online video workflow and it's only useful in the way a walled garden is useful... it will require that each pair of browser-website (with EME) negotiate before allowing it, basically making it impossible for smaller browsers to become useful at all

Netflix begs to differ.

With what? EME is a "cure" for a problem you shouldn't have in the first place. Idiotic technology to do nothing useful and solve no problems to make some content company executives feel better about their liability.

EME does abosolutely nothing to prevent piracy and only serves as another roadblock for people to jump before seeing videos.

Re: Google moves to replace Flash with HTML5

#99
post #55

> DRM is a hugely important part of the online video workflow and HTML5 offers a very useful tool with Encrypted Media Extensions. DRM has never been important for online video workflow and it's only useful in the way a walled garden is useful... it will require that each pair of browser-website (with EME) negotiate before allowing it, basically making it impossible for smaller browsers to become useful at all

Netflix begs to differ.

Netflix can make its own app, outside the web.

Re: Google moves to replace Flash with HTML5

#100

Getting really frustrated with all the things chrome is starting to change. We are starting to become a bunch of sheep, if google wants something, they announce it, and implement it, we developers, users have to fall in line and start doing everything they want. What the hell is going on, why are we not pissed off about this. Look I hate Flash as much as the other guy, but blocking an extention just because a company…

> blocking an extention just because a company doesn't like it.

It's also proven so many times over to be a mass of security vulnerabilities.

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