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How I Acted Like a Pundit and Screwed Up on Donald Trump

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Re: How I Acted Like a Pundit and Screwed Up on Donald Trump

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> In any race where Silver didn't make a pick — again, he isn't playing the pick-every-contest game — Diggler's numbers treat the non-prediction as a wrong prediction. So Silver's accuracy rate through May 7, according to Diggler, was just 55 percent, while his own was 89 percent. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/05/12/so... So the comparison counts non-predictions by Silver makes your statement co…

I think that you would agree that null is not a correct prediction, so clearly the Silver model has failed for those votes.

Null is neither correct nor incorrect. If I don't play a game of chess today and you do, I haven't lost anything. I simply haven't played. The world is not binary.

This claim is tantamount to a schoolyard taunt like, "If you don't fight me, you're a coward." And claiming victory when your opponent wasn't even at school that day to hear the taunt.

Re: How I Acted Like a Pundit and Screwed Up on Donald Trump

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I think that you would agree that null is not a correct prediction, so clearly the Silver model has failed for those votes.

Null is neither correct nor incorrect. If I don't play a game of chess today and you do, I haven't lost anything. I simply haven't played. The world is not binary. This claim is tantamount to a schoolyard taunt like, "If you don't fight me, you're a coward." And claiming victory when your opponent wasn't even at school that day to hear the taunt.

Right, but if you play chess against a lot of children and crush them 100% of the time and I play against moderately experienced players and win 90% of the time, I'm probably better at chess

Re: How I Acted Like a Pundit and Screwed Up on Donald Trump

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Null is neither correct nor incorrect. If I don't play a game of chess today and you do, I haven't lost anything. I simply haven't played. The world is not binary. This claim is tantamount to a schoolyard taunt like, "If you don't fight me, you're a coward." And claiming victory when your opponent wasn't even at school that day to hear the taunt.

Right, but if you play chess against a lot of children and crush them 100% of the time and I play against moderately experienced players and win 90% of the time, I'm probably better at chess

Fine. Fuck the analogies because yours isn't even close to the actual situation.

At the time of the writing on the article I posted as a rebuttal: Each time both Silver and Diggler predicted results they agreed except for 8 states. When they didn't agree, they had an equal number of correct results (and incorrect results), 4-4. They're effectively tied.

The ones that aren't predicted indicate nothing about Silver's methods other than a lack of sufficient data to put through his models. Which says something to his ethos. He doesn't just make wild stabs in the dark like a typical pundit when he doesn't have the data to back up his prediction.

EDIT: Cleaned up the second paragraph.

EDIT FURTHER: I suppose it's my fault. Chess was the wrong analogy if someone were to pick an analogy. It's played head-to-head, and comparison to people that aren't playing against each other requires more complex analysis. The situation here is two parties participating in an open contest, where everyone can win, everyone can lose, or something in between can occur.

The point still stands. Someone not participating in a given contest doesn't equate to losing. They just aren't competing.

Re: How I Acted Like a Pundit and Screwed Up on Donald Trump

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Scott Adams (of Dilbert fame) called it months ago[1] [1] http://blog.dilbert.com/post/131749156346/the-case-for-a-tru...

Well, he predicted a landslide, and that never occurred. He doesn't even have a majority.

The landslide is about the general election (which only has 2 major candidate running), not the primaries.

Re: How I Acted Like a Pundit and Screwed Up on Donald Trump

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Well, he predicted a landslide, and that never occurred. He doesn't even have a majority.

The landslide is about the general election (which only has 2 major candidate running), not the primaries.

So Adams think he's going to be more popular among Democrats than he was among Republicans? That seems... unlikely.

Re: How I Acted Like a Pundit and Screwed Up on Donald Trump

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How do you figure?

Not the OP but Cruz was an ideologue (would apparently not compromise) engaged in risky tactics (shut down government) , was disliked by colleagues and religion was above all else. The country does not need a priest or pastor in chief.

I get all that. I will note that what you say is phrased like talking points from Cruz' enemies designed to make him 1-dimensional, but at least you provided some simple examples to back up some of your statements.

Back to my original question: how does the GP figure that a Cruz presidency would be worse than a Trump one?

Does Trump have any negatives for you? Can you weigh Trump's policy statements, demeanor, and history against Cruz'?

Re: How I Acted Like a Pundit and Screwed Up on Donald Trump

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Not the OP but Cruz was an ideologue (would apparently not compromise) engaged in risky tactics (shut down government) , was disliked by colleagues and religion was above all else. The country does not need a priest or pastor in chief.

I get all that. I will note that what you say is phrased like talking points from Cruz' enemies designed to make him 1-dimensional, but at least you provided some simple examples to back up some of your statements. Back to my original question: how does the GP figure that a Cruz presidency would be worse than a Trump one? Does Trump have any negatives for you? Can you weigh Trump's policy statements, demeanor, and hi…

If one were to take Trump literally, then yes, he would have some very negative aspects --but so would Bernie.

As far as I can read mr. Trump which isn't to say I'm right, I think he's a quite an adroit pragmatic populist who when it becomes necessary will adjust his more extreme positions and bring them in alignment with the average sentiment of the population.

His having been a business person, I don't think he'd take catastrophic action on trade in order to satisfy a vague promise. He may seek to curtail illegal immigration by simply enforcing e-verify for all jobs --that way, you might stay here, but there is no point if you can't get work. At the same time I could imagine a guest worker program, to give people who are willing to comply, an avenue to work here. He may reframe the whole NRA/2nd amendment rights issue to a less polarized one. I think he's not apt to vilify the LGBTQ community as a Cruz would likely do.

Cruz was only about his "base". I think Trump has a good chance to expand beyond his core constituency, disaffected working class and non-ideological conservatives. He has the personality to pull in blue collar blacks as well as blue collar Americans of Latin American descent. He may well alienate undocumented immigrants and people who sympathise with them, but he may risk that, for the time being.

Re: How I Acted Like a Pundit and Screwed Up on Donald Trump

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How do you figure?

Not the OP but Cruz was an ideologue (would apparently not compromise) engaged in risky tactics (shut down government) , was disliked by colleagues and religion was above all else. The country does not need a priest or pastor in chief.

Why is shutting down the government risky?

Re: How I Acted Like a Pundit and Screwed Up on Donald Trump

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I get all that. I will note that what you say is phrased like talking points from Cruz' enemies designed to make him 1-dimensional, but at least you provided some simple examples to back up some of your statements. Back to my original question: how does the GP figure that a Cruz presidency would be worse than a Trump one? Does Trump have any negatives for you? Can you weigh Trump's policy statements, demeanor, and hi…

If one were to take Trump literally, then yes, he would have some very negative aspects --but so would Bernie. As far as I can read mr. Trump which isn't to say I'm right, I think he's a quite an adroit pragmatic populist who when it becomes necessary will adjust his more extreme positions and bring them in alignment with the average sentiment of the population. His having been a business person, I don't think he'd t…

Okay, I think you're projecting in a lot of your assessment of Trump, but that's just my dumb opinion.

I hear Trump's words and his "Big City boss" approach to governing doesn't appeal to me, and I don't believe is going to be productive. I take it you think he will tack to the populist center, but I have no clue what he'd do on a whole range of issues based just on what he has said. It's like "Hope America Change Again" should be his slogan.

He's boorish when it comes to women and sexuality. His foreign policy statements continue to be a hot mess; he's either feigning ignorance or is actually ignorant on world issues when he shoots from the hip. Demonizing Mexico/Mexicans and China for show, stoking up hate for votes. The "Rafael Cruz may have been part of the JFK assassination" antics was a completely crazy stunt and unnecessary given where the campaigns stood in Indiana. Alluding to his adequate dick size in a presidential debate. And on and on, Trump isn't funny or refreshing to me ...

Domestic policy-wise, yes, there might be some bright spots (like his tax plan). Anywhere he is cagey or ambiguous on his policy statements or has done an about-face, he is a complete enigma (was for late-term abortion and now is for punishing mothers for getting abortions should abortion become illegal.)

BTW, I don't blame you for projecting, a lot of people love the guy and want to see him succeed!

Re: How I Acted Like a Pundit and Screwed Up on Donald Trump

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If one were to take Trump literally, then yes, he would have some very negative aspects --but so would Bernie. As far as I can read mr. Trump which isn't to say I'm right, I think he's a quite an adroit pragmatic populist who when it becomes necessary will adjust his more extreme positions and bring them in alignment with the average sentiment of the population. His having been a business person, I don't think he'd t…

Okay, I think you're projecting in a lot of your assessment of Trump, but that's just my dumb opinion. I hear Trump's words and his "Big City boss" approach to governing doesn't appeal to me, and I don't believe is going to be productive. I take it you think he will tack to the populist center, but I have no clue what he'd do on a whole range of issues based just on what he has said. It's like "Hope America Change Ag…

>He's boorish when it comes to women and sexuality.

It's funny that people say this, when Bill Clinton repeatedly raped and took advantage of women and Hillary helped cover it up.

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