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I hadn't heard about this case before, and so I don't know the details, but just from your own description, filing a preemptive lawsuit in response to an explicit copyright demand doesn't sound unreasonable - the advantages of doing so over waiting to be sued include venue selection and, perhaps more importantly, forcing the claimant to make their case, rather than letting it turn into a frozen conflict (with the pos…
They didn't need to do anything to "resolve their messy lawsuit" other than to withdraw the lawsuit.
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#132Has anyone given this https://medium.com/@wireapp/axolotl-and-proteus-788519b186a7 more thought and whether one should avoid Signal and work with a more friendly project that doesn't seemingly fail at its desire to have widespread use of the protocol and actually tried to sue WireApp? WireApp's now approved as a non-infringing implementation in Rust, so that's great for reliability. Edit: The suing part was initiated…
You have this story backwards and you should correct your post. Moxie and OWS didn't threaten to sue Wire. Wire sued Open Whisper Systems . That suit made, but did not substantiate, a claim that OWS asked for money. OWS denies that. I believe OWS, and not Wire. The genesis of this claim comes from Wire having used GPL'd OWS code, apparently for the Signal protocol, without complying with the GPL . OWS demanded that W…
For those who don't know, here was Thomas Ptacek recently joking about Nadim's penis: https://mobile.twitter.com/tqbf/status/705825790529662976
Here he is telling Nadim "go fuck yourself, forever": https://mobile.twitter.com/tqbf/status/705900243313758208
This is unprofessional. That kind of bullying is especially unacceptable coming from someone who has a lot of money and a pretty big audience, directed at someone who is young and just starting out.
I think Hacker News should be better than this.
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> the desktop client requiring chrome is pretty awful That's rubbish. They are a small company with not enough person-time to develop native versions for all OS. Would you prefer only to have a windows version available? Developing with Chrome/NW.js/Electron allows you to have an app that runs on 3 OS's from the start. I think it's pretty awesome. Plus you only need chrome installed, it doesn't have to run if I under…
I've used NW and electron based applications and don't have chrome installed. Why is Chrome needed at all for those to work?
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They didn't need to do anything to "resolve their messy lawsuit" other than to withdraw the lawsuit.
That's exactly what they eventually did. I wouldn't have, if I thought a copyright claim against me were truly bogus. Maybe they decided it wasn't bogus.
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Since nobody has provided any evidence that OWS ever suggested that using their documentation was improper, you might just as well suggest Moxie use this "incident" as an opportunity to announce that he's stopped beating his wife.
I've been pretty quiet about this, but over the last couple of months I have been trying to negotiate with Moxie a way to distribute the GPL licensed AxolotlKit on the iOS App Store in ChatSecure (which is open source). After being denied a license, I was told by Moxie that I would be unable to write a non-GPL AxolotlV3 implementation because there is not publicly available documentation, and that any re-implementati…
Most of your communication has centered around asking us to change the license on our source base to something other than the GPL. We like the GPL for the quality control that it provides. If someone publicly says that they're using our software, we want to see if they've made any changes, and whether they're using it correctly.
You don't like the GPL because you feel that it is incompatible with the Apple App Store, despite our feelings to the contrary. If you'd like to do the work of developing a strong copyleft version of the GPL that you feel is appropriate for use in the app store, and get it OSI approved, we'd certainly look at using that.
As for documentation, there has never been a protocol called AxolotlV2. There was TextSecure, the crypto layer of which has evolved into Signal Protocol. We'd like to get this better documented so that people without crypto expertise can integrate it without having to talk to us, but that's a pretty heavy task that comes with a massive amount of responsibility, and some parts of this are still evolving. It's a priority, but we are taking the time to do it right, and hopefully we'll have more to publish this year.
We haven't patented any of the concepts here, and we've done a lot to explain and popularize them. We're happy for people to use these concepts to build their own implementations of similar protocols, but we don't want people slapping things together and calling that Signal Protocol.
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You have this story backwards and you should correct your post. Moxie and OWS didn't threaten to sue Wire. Wire sued Open Whisper Systems . That suit made, but did not substantiate, a claim that OWS asked for money. OWS denies that. I believe OWS, and not Wire. The genesis of this claim comes from Wire having used GPL'd OWS code, apparently for the Signal protocol, without complying with the GPL . OWS demanded that W…
Nadim had a legitimate and reasonable question. For those who don't know, here was Thomas Ptacek recently joking about Nadim's penis: https://mobile.twitter.com/tqbf/status/705825790529662976 Here he is telling Nadim "go fuck yourself, forever": https://mobile.twitter.com/tqbf/status/705900243313758208 This is unprofessional. That kind of bullying is especially unacceptable coming from someone who has a lot of money…
I don't think it should. I think us pretending that we are some group of regal statesmen is a bunch of pretentious bullshit.
Being civil is preferable, but not if it means being fake.
People aren't any less "mean" on HN, they're just good at bullying in more subtle ways, and we are all worse off for it.
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You have this story backwards and you should correct your post. Moxie and OWS didn't threaten to sue Wire. Wire sued Open Whisper Systems . That suit made, but did not substantiate, a claim that OWS asked for money. OWS denies that. I believe OWS, and not Wire. The genesis of this claim comes from Wire having used GPL'd OWS code, apparently for the Signal protocol, without complying with the GPL . OWS demanded that W…
Nadim had a legitimate and reasonable question. For those who don't know, here was Thomas Ptacek recently joking about Nadim's penis: https://mobile.twitter.com/tqbf/status/705825790529662976 Here he is telling Nadim "go fuck yourself, forever": https://mobile.twitter.com/tqbf/status/705900243313758208 This is unprofessional. That kind of bullying is especially unacceptable coming from someone who has a lot of money…
The knives are out for Signal. It's not hard to see that. Of the "independent" messaging schemes, Signal is probably the only one that has a chance of relevance 5 years from now. Everyone else is working on something that will be a checkbox feature for Apple, Google, Microsoft and Facebook in less time than that.
I'm happy about that. Clearly, not everyone else is.
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> Complaints about Signal are, unsurprisingly, getting dumber and more venomous. For instance, last week, Nadim Kobeissi (the author of Cryptocat, a competing secure messaging system that I think you should avoid) was on Twitter talking about how impossible a GPL violation could have been given that Wire's Signal implementation is in Rust. Given that I'm mentioned by name (and tied to a bunch of exaggerated claims),…
You're the author of a secure messaging system who is, to put it lightly, notorious for throwing shade on other people's secure messaging projects. This comment is a perfect example: OWS demanded that Wire comply with the GPL, and you've declared that "drama", and suggested that Wire was somehow "not allowed" to port it to Rust. Your messages on Twitter are right there for everyone to read. Here's a helpful starting…
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#139Earlier quoted context omitted.
Nadim had a legitimate and reasonable question. For those who don't know, here was Thomas Ptacek recently joking about Nadim's penis: https://mobile.twitter.com/tqbf/status/705825790529662976 Here he is telling Nadim "go fuck yourself, forever": https://mobile.twitter.com/tqbf/status/705900243313758208 This is unprofessional. That kind of bullying is especially unacceptable coming from someone who has a lot of money…
> I think Hacker News should be better than this. I don't think it should. I think us pretending that we are some group of regal statesmen is a bunch of pretentious bullshit. Being civil is preferable, but not if it means being fake. People aren't any less "mean" on HN, they're just good at bullying in more subtle ways, and we are all worse off for it.
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I've been pretty quiet about this, but over the last couple of months I have been trying to negotiate with Moxie a way to distribute the GPL licensed AxolotlKit on the iOS App Store in ChatSecure (which is open source). After being denied a license, I was told by Moxie that I would be unable to write a non-GPL AxolotlV3 implementation because there is not publicly available documentation, and that any re-implementati…
Hey Chris, as you know, we have no problem with you distributing our GPL software through the app store. Most of your communication has centered around asking us to change the license on our source base to something other than the GPL. We like the GPL for the quality control that it provides. If someone publicly says that they're using our software, we want to see if they've made any changes, and whether they're usin…