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Re: Google Home

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Post by sixothree »

evolve2k wrote: post #257

There's no way I'm putting something like this, collecting data directly for Google in my house. Anyone else have privacy concerns?

It seems every google product is more invasive than the last. It makes me wonder if google sees a golden opportunity or is pushed into this themselves. I get the feeling people aren't really clamoring for these types of invasive products.

It reminds me of webcams in laptops. Overnight it appeared that manufacturers were including them as a non-optional component. Yet it never seems to be something the public really cares for at all.

Re: Google Home

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Post by danellis »

yoo1I wrote: post #256
skybrian wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, sure, @Pinboard is great if you like snark and don't care about accuracy. For example: "What’s been missing from my video calls is the ability for people to see me before I’m ready" [1] This is when you are calling them. Why wouldn't you be ready? It's more like seeing who is outside your door before opening it. [1] https://twitter.com/Pinboard/status/732992053668253696

I have no idea, but I saw this tweet > @Pinboard they did talk about privacy though: the video app shows your camera feed to whoever calls you before your call starts https://twitter.com/computerality/status/732995563034169345

To anyone reading, just to be clear, that's not the case at all. It shows the caller's video, and they're completely aware of the fact.

Re: Google Home

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Post by danellis »

hayleox wrote: post #141
t0mbstone wrote: post #32

Please, please, please be a completely open, extensible platform... I want to be able to control my Apple TV with my Google Home device. I want to be able to control my Phillips Hue and LiFX bulbs. I want to be able to build my own custom home automation server endpoints and point my Google Home commands at them. I want to be able to remote start my car with a voice command. I want to be able to control my Harmony re…

According to Ars Technica, Google Home is actually gonna be more locked down than Amazon Echo. > Initially, Google says that it will not be creating APIs for Assistant and Home and that as such, any integrations with services and other devices will have to come from Google first. This approach is a contrast with the Echo, which is designed to be extensible. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/05/google-assistant-and…

That's not what they said in the keynote. They were explicit about the fact that developers would be able to extend it. They used Uber as an example.

Re: Google Home

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Post by Joof »

amelius wrote: post #207
mbrock wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Free Software Foundation, in its texts, often uses the phrase "the free world" to mean the realm of computing without proprietary restrictions, surveillance, etc. Approximately since Snowden, I've become more and more convinced about both the fragility and the value of this free world. And today, I basically see the tech giants as colossal enemies. Career-wise, henceforth I will avoid proprietary systems and dedi…

But do you think that free software can keep up against these giants? In the near future, it will all be about having large amounts of data, and processing power; it will be less and less about the actual algorithms. I'm afraid the only way out will be to rethink the economy.

AFAIK it's fairly difficult to combine many machine learning models (although boosting is a thing). I'm a noob though.

We could do live online or batch training of models in a distributed manner if it is feasible. It would take more time to build new models because we would have to produce more data, but it's an idea.

For my personal use, free software has always been high enough quality; its at least 90% of the way there if not better. And I can trust it.

Re: Google Home

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Post by endgame »

mbrock wrote: post #151
cheald wrote: post #19

When I was younger, I dreamed of something like this. Voice control for my home! A Star Trek computer that I can interact with conversationally! I just say what I want and it happens! Now, I just see an internet-connected microphone in a software black box which I can only interpret as a giant frickin' security liability. I want this, but unless it's open source top-to-bottom, I won't ever actually put one in my home…

The Free Software Foundation, in its texts, often uses the phrase "the free world" to mean the realm of computing without proprietary restrictions, surveillance, etc. Approximately since Snowden, I've become more and more convinced about both the fragility and the value of this free world. And today, I basically see the tech giants as colossal enemies. Career-wise, henceforth I will avoid proprietary systems and dedi…

> (Sorry for this quasi-manifestoish tone...)

Don't be. I think it was very well said, and while I've been a bit of a Free Software hippie for a while it keeps hitting me over and over just how far ahead they saw.

Re: Google Home

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Post by danellis »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #112
t0mbstone wrote: post #32

Please, please, please be a completely open, extensible platform... I want to be able to control my Apple TV with my Google Home device. I want to be able to control my Phillips Hue and LiFX bulbs. I want to be able to build my own custom home automation server endpoints and point my Google Home commands at them. I want to be able to remote start my car with a voice command. I want to be able to control my Harmony re…

I have only two wishes: > Please, please, please be a completely open, extensible platform... That's one. The second one is, please make it self-hosted. No cloud bullshit. I know I'll probably never live to see the second one coming true.

> please make it self-hosted

I rather suspect that the knowledge graph it uses is a rather hefty dataset. Probably not suitable for a home installation. And how would you keep it up-to-date without the cloud? Would you have it scrape websites and consume feeds itself?

Re: Google Home

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Post by danellis »

dandare wrote: post #181
protomikron wrote: post #173

Ok, controversial opinion: "[...] and manage everyday tasks" What exactly do we want to automate at home? I think this whole home automation and smart home stuff is complete bullshit. Obviously there are some nice things, like "play me song xyz", but IMHO it is completely oversold. There are just not that much things to automate at home. And this does not mean that I think 640K are enough memory for everyone.

I came here to ask people of examples of use cases because I just can not see how this can be useful in this decade.

The video shown in the keynote gives several examples.

Re: Google Home

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Post by Joof »

Initially after snowden I thought, "the government and governments around the world will crack down on this behavior now".

I was naïve. Nobody cares. Now they viciously support such practices. As long as that exists, I can't buy into datamining devices. And it will always exist.

Re: Google Home

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Post by lowglow »

t0mbstone wrote: post #32

Please, please, please be a completely open, extensible platform... I want to be able to control my Apple TV with my Google Home device. I want to be able to control my Phillips Hue and LiFX bulbs. I want to be able to build my own custom home automation server endpoints and point my Google Home commands at them. I want to be able to remote start my car with a voice command. I want to be able to control my Harmony re…

Hey can you email/chat with me (info on profile), I'd like to chat more about your use cases!
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