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Re: Google Home

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RFP - Request For Project 1. Train Google Home to recognize Amazon Echo's voice as its owner. 2. Train Amazon Echo to recognize Siri's voice as its owner 3. Train Siri to recognize Google Home's voice as its owner 4. Kick start some kind of endless loop between the three of them.

I think you just wrote Friday's xkcd

Re: Google Home

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post #151

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The Free Software Foundation, in its texts, often uses the phrase "the free world" to mean the realm of computing without proprietary restrictions, surveillance, etc. Approximately since Snowden, I've become more and more convinced about both the fragility and the value of this free world. And today, I basically see the tech giants as colossal enemies. Career-wise, henceforth I will avoid proprietary systems and dedi…

But do you think that free software can keep up against these giants? In the near future, it will all be about having large amounts of data, and processing power; it will be less and less about the actual algorithms. I'm afraid the only way out will be to rethink the economy.

> In the near future, it will all be about having large amounts of data, and processing power;

I don't think we are even close to the limits if what we can reach with standard desktop and server software.

Re: Google Home

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Lets stop this nonsense. They don't sell access to your personal information. There is nowhere that I can buy your personal information from google. What they sell is access to your attention. When advertising, I'm looking for people that match these characteristics, and what I'm purchasing is the possibility to show you an ad if you match certain criteria.

You are making a mighty fine distinction, one that sometimes makes no difference. You are also assuming that "access to attention" is perfectly firewalled from data, which it isn't. I know one person who is playing with what correlations can be made by getting people to click on google ads. I can't imagine he's the first. You are also assuming that Google's policy will never change, Google's assets will never end up…

> The average corporate lifespan in the US is 27 years.

I wonder what the average lifespan is for companies that are already more than X years old, where X could be 1, 2, 5...

I'm thinking as a comparison to how the biggest increase in average lifespan for humans wasn't everyone dying a tiny bit later, it was infant mortality dropping massively.

Re: Google Home

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post #77

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Lets stop this nonsense. They don't sell access to your personal information. There is nowhere that I can buy your personal information from google. What they sell is access to your attention. When advertising, I'm looking for people that match these characteristics, and what I'm purchasing is the possibility to show you an ad if you match certain criteria.

That doesn't mean that they don't collect that information, however. They collect it, and then they use it to target ads at you. A simple, plausible way this might invade your privacy in a meaningful way is that your home conversations will start being factored into the ads that your shown. Knowing this about Google, I can infer based on the ads shown to you, to some extent, what you are talking about in private. Gra…

How do you know what ads are being shown to me?

Re: Google Home

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Well we can go through a back and forth on this but we'll never really know the true extent of PRISM as whats been speculated is they have a direct connection to ISP's so the reality is that they probably know more than what even an individual company knows. Both Google and Apple have said the same, any access requires court order. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_(surveillance_program) Google: "Google cares deepl…

The belief that PRISM is targeted is 1. in contrast to the leaked slides, and 2. the determination of the PCLOB, which was appointed by . . . the executive branch of the US Government. The findings of the PCLOB are about as useful as lung cancer studies commissioned by Phillip-Morris. PRISM partners' denials are, of course, standard and expected PR moves.

Is there any evidence that PRISM wasn't just the program where they tapped the private fiber lines between Google's data centers and siphoned off the data? That would fit in line with the code name (where they use a crystal to splice the light from the fiber line)...

I can't see the hundreds of people it would take at google staying quiet for this long about being involved in giving the NSA direct access to servers. There would be at least one whistle blower on that side of things...

Re: Google Home

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I really don't want to come off as super negative here ... but am I the only one who finds this one UGLY ? Compare to some of the other devices from previous years, and competitors: https://www.google.ca/search?q=google+nexus+sphere&tbm=isch https://www.google.ca/search?q=amazon+echo&tbm=isch https://www.google.ca/search?q=amazon+echo+short&tbm=isch It sort-of looks like a cheap air freshener. Maybe it'd grow on me,…

You're not the only one, I think your "[looking] like a plug in air freshener really" comment is pretty close to my perception of it. The render looks really goofy to me, not half as nice as Echo. However, I like the idea of the slanted top so you can see the lights (which presumably are information bearing and not just branding?). Presumably the top part, at least, would quickly be a target for aftermarket accessory companies so it could match your home interior.

Re: Google Home

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When I was younger, I dreamed of something like this. Voice control for my home! A Star Trek computer that I can interact with conversationally! I just say what I want and it happens! Now, I just see an internet-connected microphone in a software black box which I can only interpret as a giant frickin' security liability. I want this, but unless it's open source top-to-bottom, I won't ever actually put one in my home…

This entire keynote just keeps highlighting that one sentence from the end of Maciej's wonderful http://idlewords.com/talks/internet_with_a_human_face.htm "Yesterday ... I realized how long it had been since I looked at a new technology with wonder, instead of an automatic feeling of dread." EDIT: Speaking of Maciej, if you're not already following him on Twitter, today is the day to do that. He's having a field day…

I remember having a similar feeling of wonder watching the amazing movie "Her."

I then went down a thought path of what level of personal data the AI would have had in the movie, and started thinking about what that would look like from a monetization/privacy standpoint given todays realities of advertising, NSA surveillance, etc. Pretty scary.

In fact, I'd love for someone to do a cut of clips from that movie with overlays detailing all the bits of personal data that would have been fed to a company's servers based on what is happening in the scene--there are some particularly juicy scenes for that if I recall correctly.

Re: Google Home

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Seriously, never in my wildest dreams did I think that technology would come down to this. Like many others, I dreamed a future where I could have an automated assistant at home. Just not this way! It's really all about ads and mining data, isn't it.

Re: Google Home

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post #151
post #19

When I was younger, I dreamed of something like this. Voice control for my home! A Star Trek computer that I can interact with conversationally! I just say what I want and it happens! Now, I just see an internet-connected microphone in a software black box which I can only interpret as a giant frickin' security liability. I want this, but unless it's open source top-to-bottom, I won't ever actually put one in my home…

The Free Software Foundation, in its texts, often uses the phrase "the free world" to mean the realm of computing without proprietary restrictions, surveillance, etc. Approximately since Snowden, I've become more and more convinced about both the fragility and the value of this free world. And today, I basically see the tech giants as colossal enemies. Career-wise, henceforth I will avoid proprietary systems and dedi…

In the realm of AI-powered products, having access to a large amount of users' date makes you rule, as it is a prerequisite to train algorithms that will understand many of your requests. I think many people are aware of the privacy issues that these new connected products come with, but what these innovations bring is so disruptive that for many people it's worth losing a bit of privacy. It is reasonable to be concerned by the fact that using Google was putting all eggs in one basket, however on the other hand Google bets on the fact that having all your data centralized like that allows them to build a very rich knowledge graph that you are the center and that will allow them to understand you much better than any other services, thus providing a much relevant experience.
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