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Advertising is devastating to my well-being

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Re: Advertising is devastating to my well-being

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I rather like Ars. The content is a bit varied in quality, but I do have a look at it most days. The best content makes me reminisce about Byte Magazine.

The ads are annoying. The alternative is $50/year. It just feels like quite a big sum of money when the extra benefits are not that interesting. $50/year that also gives me a good daily iPad edition, with articles I can save, without ads and full archive access may start being in the right realm for me.

Maybe I should just pony up the $50 to experiment, I did save it on my dropped newspaper subscription recently. :)

Re: Advertising is devastating to my well-being

#32
What if someone made a browser plugin where every time an you visited a website it gave that website 1/1000th of a cent (and took 1/1000th of a cent out of your paypal/google-checkout/etc. account), and in exchange that website saw the plugin and served you a version with no ads. How many people would choose to use this plugin?

Re: Advertising is devastating to my well-being

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Ok, let's take a simple example here. Google published loads of Chrome adverts to raise awareness of their new browser. The result of those adverts is that a lot of people switched to Chrome, making it a valid browser choice and, hopefully, hastening IE's demise. A number of people who read about Chrome in adverts would only have heard of it a year later if it wasn't for the ads. I think those ads were perfectly well…

> Ars has no right to demand your attention on their ads, so fuck'em.

Ars isn't demanding that you pay attention to the ads, they're asking you to simply render them, so that their ad provider counts the impression and pays them the tenth of a cent that covers the bandwidth you just used to load the page. That doesn't seem like much to ask.

Re: Advertising is devastating to my well-being

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As naive as this may make me sound, I think this attitude is hurting society. The idea that everyone is and should be trying to screw everyone else out of as much pleasure and profit as legal is, in my opinion, detrimental to society. When we stop doing things that don't negatively affect us much and help others, we've lost the benefits of altruism that helped our species evolve beyond the rest.

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Re: Advertising is devastating to my well-being

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As naive as this may make me sound, I think this attitude is hurting society. The idea that everyone is and should be trying to screw everyone else out of as much pleasure and profit as legal is, in my opinion, detrimental to society. When we stop doing things that don't negatively affect us much and help others, we've lost the benefits of altruism that helped our species evolve beyond the rest.

Realize that that idea is capitalism* or at least the inevitable side-effect of capitalism. And that the altrusim idea is socialism.

* as practiced in real life not some wanker's theoretical definition.

PS it was probably selfishness and greed (combined with tribal "us vs them" so that (generally) you'll steal from the fuckers in next valley over but not your children) that helped our species destroy and/or exceed our competition.

Re: Advertising is devastating to my well-being

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As naive as this may make me sound, I think this attitude is hurting society. The idea that everyone is and should be trying to screw everyone else out of as much pleasure and profit as legal is, in my opinion, detrimental to society. When we stop doing things that don't negatively affect us much and help others, we've lost the benefits of altruism that helped our species evolve beyond the rest.

This is a little bit silly. By not watching ads, I am screwing somebody? How about by watching ads I screw the people who paid for the ads, as there is no way those ads would affect me in a positive way? I don't see how one is worse than the other. If a web site asks people who hate ads to watch ads, they are screwing the people who pay for the ads. They should be thankful for ad blockers, because at least they prevent me from getting negative emotions towards the advertised stuff.

If I block ads, the site should have a higher conversion rate, so they should be able to ask for more money for the ad impressions.

Re: Advertising is devastating to my well-being

#37
By contrast, books (for example) are awesome. I pay for a book, and then I read the book start-to-finish with no ads

Thats the issue, you paid money for the book, it's the business model the author used to make writing the book worthwhile.

Historically the Internet doesn't seem to support content producers this way.

Re: Advertising is devastating to my well-being

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I think they can say they feel it borders on unethical (which is the impression I got from it). Along the lines of: "ok so you can block our ads, but that's a bit sucky guys :(" On the topic of your article (I assume it's yours?): I pay for a book, and then I read the book start-to-finish with no ads, no distractions. A few pages at the back maybe, but I can ignore those. Books are nice. I assume you can see the diff…

Yes, it's my blog post. (I would hesitate to call it an article.) Advertising is unethical insofar as it's manipulative and dishonest and invasive. Even if not unethical, it's highly annoying and aesthetically displeasing. Most people probably are OK with ads, but I'm not, so I wouldn't run ads on my own site. I looked at the ads on Ars briefly, both animated Flash ads, one for razor blades and the other I couldn't e…

I think the point about books was "I pay for a book".

Re: Advertising is devastating to my well-being

#39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, it's my blog post. (I would hesitate to call it an article.) Advertising is unethical insofar as it's manipulative and dishonest and invasive. Even if not unethical, it's highly annoying and aesthetically displeasing. Most people probably are OK with ads, but I'm not, so I wouldn't run ads on my own site. I looked at the ads on Ars briefly, both animated Flash ads, one for razor blades and the other I couldn't e…

I think the point about books was "I pay for a book".

Yes that was the point.

Books have no ads in because it's paid for.

Re: Advertising is devastating to my well-being

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article starts off saying that ad-blocking is not unethical, but then goes on to strongly imply that it is. e.g. I think in some ways the Internet and its vast anonymity feeds into a culture where many people do not think about the people, the families, the careers that go into producing a website. And: And anyway, my point still stands: if you like this site you shouldn't block ads. These sound like ethical stat…

I read the Ars article to mean: "We won't judge you for blocking our ads, at the same time, please don't judge us if we choose to block content from those who block our ads."

Exactly. Their statements aren't about ethics, they're about business.

When they tried not serving content to ad blockers, "there was a healthy mob of people criticizing us for daring to take any kind of action against those who would deny us revenue." This ignorance of Ars' business model led them to write a post to try and explain to people how they use advertising, and why ad blockers are bad for the future of their site. Every time you load an Ars article and do not render the ad, you cost Ars money and actively drive their business into the ground. Anyone who understands this argument should also understand that deliberately harming the business of a site you like is just dumb, especially over something as minor as "I don't like to look at that!"

It's interesting to me that Brian's post completely ignores Ars' content-blocking experiment, especially because it was the entire impetus for their post. To me, it seems like a perfectly reasonable policy (although I think redirecting users to a subscription page rather than showing them nothing at all would be more effective). I'd be interested to hear if he thinks it's as "garish and hideous" as displaying ads in the first place.

edit: thanks for responding, Brian. I think discussing this in the post would have made your argument a lot stronger.

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