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Re: Google I/O 2016 Live Keynote

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Post by dragonwriter »

lanestp wrote: post #49

Google knows that this is a developer conference right? I feel like I'm at CES. I don't care about any of their apps unless there is some really cool integrations I can do. Talk API's or this is just noise.

IIRC, its pretty typical for the front end of the I/O keynote to be loaded with items that are somewhat less immediate and burning interest to developers but greater interest to consumer-oriented press, and the back end to have the big new developer-focused offerings. This keynote seemed to follow that pattern.

Re: Google I/O 2016 Live Keynote

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Post by TeMPOraL »

espeed wrote: post #139
TeMPOraL wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it would be entirely possible within US legal framework for Echo/Home to be able to selectively switch from "wake word" to "always listening" mode, on the whim of Amazon/Google or a request of the government. Now, if the government isn't stupid about it and would use it selectively, then good luck tracking it down.

Your phone could be turned to "always listening" for that matter, and it's typically with you 24/7.

You know what I would want my phone to be doing? To be actually always listening. So that I could just say "Ok Google" at random and interact with Google Now without having to unlock the phone or have it constantly hooked up to a charger. That very simple thing would probably quadruple the usefulness of the whole thing. But Google probably has some "smart" reason for never ever allowing that. sigh

(I mean, what the hell - deep in the options of Google Now I can actually allow the phone to be unlocked by my voice - but if and only if it is plugged to a charger. They had to explicitly code in a special condition to make Google Now less useful.)

(and yes, I know you meant other kind of "always listening")

Re: Google I/O 2016 Live Keynote

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Post by eitally »

uptown wrote: post #132
barnacs wrote: post #31

This is just sad. Yet another messaging app. This time with ads built right into your private conversations. And the crowd cheers :(

What happened to this: https://jibe.google.com/

They just wanted that for the RCS expertise. It should go into a Messenger/SMS replacement sometime in the future, I'd imagine.

Re: Google I/O 2016 Live Keynote

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Post by l33tfr4gg3r »

insulanian wrote: post #63
retox wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(older) Brits will be reminded of the series Allo Allo, set during the occupation of France. Maybe there's room for a disposable message feature called 'I will say this only once...'

Shhh... It is I, Leclerc.

Go piddle your massages elsewhere!

Re: Google I/O 2016 Live Keynote

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Post by Veratyr »

barnacs wrote: post #31

This is just sad. Yet another messaging app. This time with ads built right into your private conversations. And the crowd cheers :(

It looks like it's just another mobile only platform too. Am I the only one who'd like to use my computer to send messages while I'm using it?

Re: Google I/O 2016 Live Keynote

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Post by mmanfrin »

barnacs wrote: post #31

This is just sad. Yet another messaging app. This time with ads built right into your private conversations. And the crowd cheers :(

And it's not meant to replace Hangouts.

What do you want me to use, Google? Hangouts? Messenger? Allo? Duo? Wave-- er, Spaces?

Re: Google I/O 2016 Live Keynote

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Post by TeMPOraL »

tdkl wrote: post #140
wstrange wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yea - I hear ya. Self driving cars, conversational AIs, VR hardware - same old same old.

> conversational AIs Because I always wanted a chat app that I could talk to AI with, not my actual real life friends, as they're too busy not giving a fuck at another $chatapp from Google and are still mad at me at the last two I was trying to make them use.

Nah, I would very much appreciate an AI I could talk to. But none is on the horizon yet - I'm still waiting until one will be able to hold the conversation and have something interesting/relevant to say.

Re: Google I/O 2016 Live Keynote

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Post by callahad »

dragonwriter wrote: post #133
callahad wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really wonder how this pairs with Google's push for Progressive Web Apps. The two seem to be in direct opposition.

I see them aligned in terms of what they are trying to achieve UX-wise, one serves the community that is already building web apps, one serves the community that's already building mobile apps, both get you low-friction, native (or native-like) UX.

I must be missing something; all of this feels very uncoordinated.

The primary entry point into Android Instant Apps are normal URLs which get shared over Email, SMS, or Instant Messaging, but for those URLs to ever get shared, they must already exist and work on the current web. So you still have to put in the effort of building a full Web experience.

...and Android can automatically enhance progressive web apps to provide experiences that are capable of being indistinguishable from native. Plus, it will work just fine everywhere else. Because it's the Web.

And you pretty much have to get close to that point anyway, since Instant Apps are useless without preexisting, functioning links for the app to hijack... why would you then duplicate the effort to have a version written in Java? Access to payment APIs is compelling for the B&H demo, but for Buzzfeed?

...and wouldn't you already be doing your damnedest to provide a similar experience for iOS or desktop users, on the Web itself?

Re: Google I/O 2016 Live Keynote

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Post by ZenoArrow »

cwyers wrote: post #18
microtonal wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand why anyone would want to have such a device in their home. How long before they start data mining conversations for better ad targeting? What if a state actor gets access to such devices? Is no one worried at all?

I've seen the ads my Kindle Paperwhite displays as a screensaver, and... no, I'm not worried about Amazon mining my personal information to start doing better ad targeting.

> "I'm not worried about Amazon mining my personal information to start doing better ad targeting."

I get that better ad targeting may not seem like much of an issue at first thought, and may even seem like a benefit, but I'd suggest that the perceived benefits may start to unravel if you consider it from a different point of view.

Companies that are involved in delivering targeted advertising are basing what ads to show you on the profile they're building up about you and what they perceive as similar people to you. The idea being to give you more of what they think you'll like. What this leads to is a filter bubble. When you're in a filter bubble (and I'd argue most of us are), the culture you're exposed to is increasingly limited by your past likes and dislikes, increasingly tailored based on market demographics, far less likely to broaden your range of experience.

We shouldn't welcome the filter bubble, we should act to break out of it, and resisting the mechanisms behind targeted ads is one such way of doing so.

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