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The TSA is a waste of money that doesn't save lives and might actually cost them

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Re: The TSA is a waste of money that doesn't save lives and might actually cost them

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I live in a small city with a small airport. One day, while waiting for my departure plane to arrive, TSA kicked everyone out of the secure gate and back into the insecure terminal, because the plane would not arrive for another half hour and they didn't want to keep watching us in a room with barely 50 seats. Then we had to go through security again once every single passenger had arrived. The point is that security…

Was this Wenatchee?

Re: The TSA is a waste of money that doesn't save lives and might actually cost them

#12
post #4

It's easy to say that TSA sucks (it does), but it's hard to propose a workable alternative. Well alternative 1, stop making us take off our shoes and taking out our laptops, its clear from pre-check that it's not really necessary. You need some security. That was clear before 9-11. Airports had security and it was pretty similar to how TSA does it right now. You put your bags on an Xray machine, show your ID, and wal…

> it's hard to propose a workable alternative

No, actually, it's really easy.

> You need some security. That was clear before 9-11.

No, it was not clear then, and it is not clear now. There are two salient facts:

1. When tested, the TSA misses 90% or so of the weapons people try to smuggle past them

2. Notwithstanding #1, there have been zero successful terrorist attack on aircraft in the U.S. since 9-11.

So it is far from clear that there is actually a problem that needs to be solved (other than people freaking out about an insignificant risk, which is a real problem).

Re: The TSA is a waste of money that doesn't save lives and might actually cost them

#13
post #4

It's easy to say that TSA sucks (it does), but it's hard to propose a workable alternative. Well alternative 1, stop making us take off our shoes and taking out our laptops, its clear from pre-check that it's not really necessary. You need some security. That was clear before 9-11. Airports had security and it was pretty similar to how TSA does it right now. You put your bags on an Xray machine, show your ID, and wal…

> it's hard to propose a workable alternative.

No, it's not. The article proposed it, airports are already considering it, and even you proposed it (see next quote).

> I'd suggest keeping the government in charge of what procedures to use, but then using private contracts to actually manage the airport security.

Re: The TSA is a waste of money that doesn't save lives and might actually cost them

#14

How do we get rid of it, though? I get that it's terrible, and I've heard all these arguments countless times. How do you actually take action, though?

Create a new, different jobs program that will hire all the ex-TSA workers AND show how keeping it around will only cost money and negatively impact the economy (both local and national), so politicians won't have an incentive to keep it alive.

So become a lobbyist, basically.

Re: The TSA is a waste of money that doesn't save lives and might actually cost them

#15

How do we get rid of it, though? I get that it's terrible, and I've heard all these arguments countless times. How do you actually take action, though?

Find a politician who promises to get rid of the TSA and vote for them. And encourage everyone you know to vote for them. And write checks.

Re: The TSA is a waste of money that doesn't save lives and might actually cost them

#16

How do we get rid of it, though? I get that it's terrible, and I've heard all these arguments countless times. How do you actually take action, though?

Looks like it's going to happen. More and more government agencies are thinking about it, and airports are starting to get angry themselves.

Re: The TSA is a waste of money that doesn't save lives and might actually cost them

#17

I live in a small city with a small airport. One day, while waiting for my departure plane to arrive, TSA kicked everyone out of the secure gate and back into the insecure terminal, because the plane would not arrive for another half hour and they didn't want to keep watching us in a room with barely 50 seats. Then we had to go through security again once every single passenger had arrived. The point is that security…

Was this Wenatchee?

Ithaca

Re: The TSA is a waste of money that doesn't save lives and might actually cost them

#18
post #4

It's easy to say that TSA sucks (it does), but it's hard to propose a workable alternative. Well alternative 1, stop making us take off our shoes and taking out our laptops, its clear from pre-check that it's not really necessary. You need some security. That was clear before 9-11. Airports had security and it was pretty similar to how TSA does it right now. You put your bags on an Xray machine, show your ID, and wal…

https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2015/06/reassessing_a...

Re: The TSA is a waste of money that doesn't save lives and might actually cost them

#19

I wonder how autonomous driving will affect shorter flight commutes. I'll probably never take a car from Philadelphia to LA, but I might prefer to travel by car from Philadelphia to Chicago if I know that I can sleep throughout the car ride (as well as leave whenever is most convenient). When you take into account driving to the airport, checking bags, security, flight delays, baggage claim, and rental cars/driving t…

Seat width, leg room, baggage limits, noise levels, air temperature, Internet connectivity(cell data vs airplane wifi) and the fact that you're exposed to numerous strangers at risk to your health are all factors that make an individual autonomous car more attractive than an airplane. Airlines will need to do a lot of adapting if they don't want to lose the market for shorter distance travel.

Re: The TSA is a waste of money that doesn't save lives and might actually cost them

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post #9
post #4

It's easy to say that TSA sucks (it does), but it's hard to propose a workable alternative. Well alternative 1, stop making us take off our shoes and taking out our laptops, its clear from pre-check that it's not really necessary. You need some security. That was clear before 9-11. Airports had security and it was pretty similar to how TSA does it right now. You put your bags on an Xray machine, show your ID, and wal…

I am not convinced you need more security for aircraft than a bus. As long as there is a solid wall between pilots and passengers, the worst a passenger could do would be to take down an aircraft which is much harder than you might assume.

Please don't give them ideas. I like relaxed train rides and would hate having to go through the intrusive time waste and annoyance anytime I step foot on a train station. I don't like flying because there are so many annoyances these days. The money grab is another problem. I cannot bring fluids through security but I can buy as many bottles of liquor and alcoholised fluids as I want before boarding. I'm surprised nobody sued to change that.
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