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Hiring Hurdle: Finding Workers Who Can Pass a Drug Test

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Re: Hiring Hurdle: Finding Workers Who Can Pass a Drug Test

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I see a different problem: lack of jobs that don't drug test. I don't do any drugs and never been a fan of weed, but I sometimes won't apply for a job if they drug test. I wish I could stick to this every time. The no-drug-screen screen is actually a good filter. Companies with drug-screening are, on average, more unpleasant to work at. Just say no to drug screening, kids. Edit: alright, to be fair, some of those job…

I also refuse to take drug tests. I also refuse to get security clearances, which makes it a little more challenging living in the DC area.

Re: Hiring Hurdle: Finding Workers Who Can Pass a Drug Test

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Drug testing is absolutely a good idea for jobs where worker impairment presents an imminent physical danger to lives and property (e.g. trucking, medical professions, powerline repair crews). Likewise, limited use of criminal background checks may be a good idea for certain jobs (a bank robber shouldn't be allowed to work in a bank). But the idea that these should be general conditions of employment across all indus…

Bayer invented and patented heroin. Opiate addiction is a crisis in the state of Massachusetts. Anyone who is struggling with this right now is in an employment underclass like you said. It's a vicious cycle.

Do you see Bayer or Purdue actively campaigning for removing drug testing? I don't.

These are all the people that will have a very difficult time re-entering the work force due to high prevalence of drug testing.

Re: Hiring Hurdle: Finding Workers Who Can Pass a Drug Test

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post #35

Drug testing is absolutely a good idea for jobs where worker impairment presents an imminent physical danger to lives and property (e.g. trucking, medical professions, powerline repair crews). Likewise, limited use of criminal background checks may be a good idea for certain jobs (a bank robber shouldn't be allowed to work in a bank). But the idea that these should be general conditions of employment across all indus…

>a good idea for jobs where worker impairment presents an imminent physical danger

When I was in school some of the bus drivers were drunk, stoned or tripping on LSD. It really was a lot like the bus driver in The Simpsons.

Back then truckers would do the same and stay awake driving for days; some of the stories I've heard make me wonder how they ever survived long enough to get clean.

>criminal background checks

I know of a woman who became a school bus aide after a background check and she was in prison for attempted murder and human trafficking so I don't put a lot of confidence in these preventing employment, only will cut down on applications.

Re: Hiring Hurdle: Finding Workers Who Can Pass a Drug Test

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You care because you don't want to deal with workplace injuries and druggies stealing your stuff. Roofers are high turnover, low/moderate skill folks. If the business model requires reliable guys, you may consider it.

Better not hire any drinkers, then. They might steal your stuff, and pawn it for a fifth. No smokers, too. Nicotine withdrawal is hell.

Sounds like you've never worked outside of an office. Talk to a roofing contractor someday.

Re: Hiring Hurdle: Finding Workers Who Can Pass a Drug Test

#56
a lot of comments in here about how drug testing is ok for some positions, like truck drivers and the like.

If your reasoning is impairment in some jobs could cause physical harm - surely a reaction time based test should be implemented for these workers to complete each morning before they turn on this heavy machinery. This would be much more effective in identifying unfit workers, doing it daily ensures that workers are prepared to work for the day when they come in.

Its definitely disappointing seeing a supposedly educated group of people buying in so readily to ages old propaganda. I cant believe how many people think a pre employment drug test is going to keep truckers off meth - let alone completely legal and untested things like nodoz, cough syrup, sleep medicines, etc.

I'd much rather drive around a trucker on marijuana than benadryl, and i'd absolutely rather drive next to a trucker who used marijuana 12 days ago than a trucker who is double dosing cough syrup and taking some nodoz to stay awake.

Re: Hiring Hurdle: Finding Workers Who Can Pass a Drug Test

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> Several days from interview to test Not enough time to piss clean from Cannabis, but enough for some of the harder drugs. > And as the article suggests, its almost exclusively whites not passing Doesn't that make drug tests a racist practice?

Does the racial make up of NBA rosters make the NBA a racist organization?

If the racial make up of the NBA was due to the use of a test which has not been demonstrated to measure success but does do result in racial filtering: then yes, the racial makeup of the NBA rosters would racist.

I have seen no evidence that drug tests for most jobs are an effective predictor of job performance and do anything beyond giving a cover for racial and class prejudice.

Re: Hiring Hurdle: Finding Workers Who Can Pass a Drug Test

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Yet many federal employees aren't tested. I spent five years as a DoD employee with secret security clearance and never had to take a drug test.

You did an SF-86 and went through the whole OPM background check process for Secret and weren't drug tested? Seriously?

Yep.
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