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Re: 42 comes to Silicon Valley: free, non profit coding university

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What is the reason for having the age restriction of 30? Does it not implicitly contribute to the existing ageism issue in tech industry. Why can't a professional working in another industry learn something new at the age of 35 or a mother who wants to come back to the workforce after her kids start going to school?

If I recall correctly they have 50k+ applications a year in France. You have to do some filtering.

Why not filter on the basis on aptitude, or even attitude, instead of age?

Re: 42 comes to Silicon Valley: free, non profit coding university

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So Xavier Niel ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xavier_Niel French entrepreneur, do not own any US interest) is committing millions from his personal fortune to open a FREE school to teach programming and computer science in the US to student regardless of their academic background and commenters critics the initiative because the school have an age limit. I really love 42, and I'm happy that they open a new school in…

He invested in more than 1000 startups, some of them in the US.

Re: 42 comes to Silicon Valley: free, non profit coding university

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I'm surprised with all the negative comments focusing on the age limit. Xavier Niel committed millions to launch the school in Paris and it was an immense success which already benefits to the whole ecosystem. What is not said in the video is the type of candidates they are looking for. In France, as education is free, traditional "excellent" high school student don't apply to 42 and prefer to secure a place in the n…

I don't understand why you are downvoted because this is a great question, and true that the top most students do not go there, they prefer engineering schools (but there is good students there).

disclosure, I am a 42 school student in Paris, first promotion

Re: 42 comes to Silicon Valley: free, non profit coding university

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The age restriction is also possibly illegal in the US, as age is a protected class under federal law.

It's easy to find examples of "protected class" filing discrimination lawsuits in cases of employment, housing, and retail (e.g. "ladies night pricing" ruling in favor of males.) However, I can't think of an example of a "protected class" winning a court judgement over how a non-profit chooses to donate its money.

> However, I can't think of an example of a "protected class" winning a court judgement over how a non-profit chooses to donate its money.

Yes, in academia its pretty easy to find non-profits or government programs that sponsor exclusively certain groups based on age, sex, race/ethnicity, sexual orientation... pretty much any "protected class" that would get you in trouble if you were an employer.

Please note I'm not taking a stand on this one way or another. There are arguments on both sides.

Re: 42 comes to Silicon Valley: free, non profit coding university

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I am currently 41, went to a Coding bootcamp in Bay area and after I graduated, I struggled to find a job for 6-8 months but ultimately succeeded to land one as a developer job. But I have had to drop $12k on tuition which I think it will take couple of years to pay off. The bootcamp did very little to add value to my learning skill and portfolio of projects. I would have applied to institution like this in a heartbe…

12k should be a drop in the bucket for a Bay Area developer. You may be underpaid? 42 is the answer to life.

It can be a drop who is already a developer in Bay Area. But not for a person who is struggling to make ends meet in small cities and rural areas. Especially somebody with a family to feed and student loans. Heck I was paid close to minimum wage for 5 years during my graduate school as teaching assistant.

Re: 42 comes to Silicon Valley: free, non profit coding university

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I am currently 41, went to a Coding bootcamp in Bay area and after I graduated, I struggled to find a job for 6-8 months but ultimately succeeded to land one as a developer job. But I have had to drop $12k on tuition which I think it will take couple of years to pay off. The bootcamp did very little to add value to my learning skill and portfolio of projects. I would have applied to institution like this in a heartbe…

42 is from Douglas Adams, the answer to the question of life and all that. I do t know about the age limit, but it might be some (possibly faulty) reasoning about commitment. Staff have been tight-lipped. We have some people from the Pole Emploi (unemployment agency) here at the moment, and they are a bit older, so some kind of trial is underway.

Ah. got it. I suspect they discourage people older than 30 assuming it will be tough to get a position in a age-biased job market? May be. Just my guess.

Re: 42 comes to Silicon Valley: free, non profit coding university

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Why the 18-30 age limit? Seems a bit... ageist?

I couldn't agree more with you. This seems like an old model of assuming that those under 30 can't work well with those over yet they are expected to enter a diverse workforce. I'm 37 and in my 4th month at a school similar to 42 in SF. I'm glad that Holberton School didn't have that age restriction or I'd still be looking for another option.

Yea, with you on that. 32 and back in school. There are a few folks that are late 30s, early 40s. Sure majority are early to mid twenties, but that hasn't stopped anyone from working together.

Re: 42 comes to Silicon Valley: free, non profit coding university

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Why did they move to such an expensive area? If their goal is to provide services and help everyone why not build your university in an area like Detroit? No one who is really interested won't go because of the location and it makes rent really cheap. Hell, you could also have the Detroit government chip in and give you a great deal on land. What is bad for an economy about bringing some of our nations smartest progr…

I hear they're not in San Francisco, but in Fremont, CA, which is somewhere around the Bay, but not technically in the Silicon Valley (it's about an hour away of public transportation from the interesting places), which explains why it's probably more affordable over there.

Re: 42 comes to Silicon Valley: free, non profit coding university

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Why did they move to such an expensive area? If their goal is to provide services and help everyone why not build your university in an area like Detroit? No one who is really interested won't go because of the location and it makes rent really cheap. Hell, you could also have the Detroit government chip in and give you a great deal on land. What is bad for an economy about bringing some of our nations smartest progr…

So...start a coding school in a place in the world where you are likely to find a very dense population of people who already know how to write code ?

If you want to go to teach people how to program, then going some place where most people already know how to program lowers your prospective client base.

If you go to some place that is currently economically unstable, you can have a huge client base as many people there will want to improve themselves.

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Why did they move to such an expensive area? If their goal is to provide services and help everyone why not build your university in an area like Detroit? No one who is really interested won't go because of the location and it makes rent really cheap. Hell, you could also have the Detroit government chip in and give you a great deal on land. What is bad for an economy about bringing some of our nations smartest progr…

If you can't afford to live there they have a free dorm. There is only 164 rooms, don't know how they will distribute them.

That is something very much worth noting. But there is another problem. How restrictive are the dorms?

In my school's I can't conduct most of my hobbies. They go so far as to ban soldering irons and toaster ovens (what I use for reflow) as they are a source of fires.

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