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https://github.com/mark And yet, he is a white male. It's a mindset problem where you project your experiences on everyone else.
Invalidating someones argument/opinion based on race/sex, is racist/sexist.
Your argument also assumes "bad faith" based on race/sex, which is also racist/sexist.
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He was detained. Thus he was released after.
I'd argue that detainment without probable cause is kind of the underlying message of "Innocent until proven guilty"
Police can detain with reasonable suspicion alone, and it is entirely likely they had reasonable suspicion in this case.
> Unfortunately, you’ve got a lot of police misconduct, but I never thought it would be on this level. [...] You’re innocent until proven guilty. I was guilty until proven innocent. He was investigated, nothing was found, and he was released. He wasn't arrested, charged, taken to jail, let alone "guilty until proven innocent".
His computer was temporarily seized & searched without his consent, under immediate threat of force with a weapon. He was prevented from even voicing concern or asking questions through threat of violence, and forced to comply with actions that were not backed by a probable cause or even a reasonable suspicion of a crime having been committed.
In the US, there are laws against this. What happened there was illegal, with or without an arrest or charges or jail time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Amendment_to_the_United...
And he was presumed guilty until the search was completed, that sounds like 'guilty until proven innocent' to me.
Innocent until proven guilty doesn't mean only if it takes longer than 5 minutes to prove. It means you start with the presumption of innocence.
> Unfortunately, you’ve got a lot of police misconduct, but I never thought it would be on this level. [...] You’re innocent until proven guilty. I was guilty until proven innocent. He was investigated, nothing was found, and he was released. He wasn't arrested, charged, taken to jail, let alone "guilty until proven innocent".
What a dismissive, unsympathetic response. His computer was temporarily seized & searched without his consent, under immediate threat of force with a weapon. He was prevented from even voicing concern or asking questions through threat of violence, and forced to comply with actions that were not backed by a probable cause or even a reasonable suspicion of a crime having been committed. In the US, there are laws again…
He consented to the search of the laptop before being detained. He did not know it was an undercover police officer conducting the search, but that is not relevant.
He was subsequently detained, until such time as it became obvious he was innocent, and then released.
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> He was investigated, nothing was found, and he was released. Let me guess: you're a white male, aren't you? When these things happen to others but don't happen to you, you can pass it off as "mistakes happen". But when these "mistakes" happen only to a certain section of society, it's a cause for concern. Why was he handcuffed and had a taser on his back?? Why was he treated like a criminal in front of everybody? Y…
>Let me guess: you're a white male, aren't you? This is an extremely shitty and racist argument to make, particularly on the internet where you shouldn't make assumptions about who people are. Were the cops wrong in being overzealous? Obviously. Is the poster automatically a "white male" because they consider an alternative perspective? No, they just have a different opinion than you.
Given that African Americans are far, far more likely to be unjustly detained in such a matter, it seems reasonable to assume that mcphage is a white male, given his callous response.
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He was detained. Thus he was released after.
I'd argue that detainment without probable cause is kind of the underlying message of "Innocent until proven guilty"
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What a dismissive, unsympathetic response. His computer was temporarily seized & searched without his consent, under immediate threat of force with a weapon. He was prevented from even voicing concern or asking questions through threat of violence, and forced to comply with actions that were not backed by a probable cause or even a reasonable suspicion of a crime having been committed. In the US, there are laws again…
Your timeline doesn't match his account. He consented to the search of the laptop before being detained. He did not know it was an undercover police officer conducting the search, but that is not relevant. He was subsequently detained, until such time as it became obvious he was innocent, and then released.
Why would any police organization spend even 5ms on finding a stolen computer and have the complainant involved in a "sting"?
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I'd argue that detainment without probable cause is kind of the underlying message of "Innocent until proven guilty"
What? "Innocent until proven guilty" does not mean that police aren't allowed to perform investigations. That's a ridiculous misuse of the phrase.
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What a dismissive, unsympathetic response. His computer was temporarily seized & searched without his consent, under immediate threat of force with a weapon. He was prevented from even voicing concern or asking questions through threat of violence, and forced to comply with actions that were not backed by a probable cause or even a reasonable suspicion of a crime having been committed. In the US, there are laws again…
Your timeline doesn't match his account. He consented to the search of the laptop before being detained. He did not know it was an undercover police officer conducting the search, but that is not relevant. He was subsequently detained, until such time as it became obvious he was innocent, and then released.
> He consented to the search of the laptop before being detained. He did not know it was an undercover police officer conducting the search, but that is not relevant.
I'm not sure you know what "consent" actually means.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consent_search
A consent search requires the individual whose person or property is being searched to freely and voluntarily waive his or her Fourth Amendment rights, granting the officer permission to perform the search. Where consent is obtained through "deception" on the part of government personnel, the search may be determined to be an unreasonable search in violation of the Fourth Amendment.